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re: JJ, Miles, and Mett - again
Posted on 4/20/11 at 11:45 pm to Stewie Griffin
Posted on 4/20/11 at 11:45 pm to Stewie Griffin
I suspect that the author and I have the same end game in mind: a legitimate starting QB for LSU. And I suspect that he and I would be in violent agreement that Jordan Jefferson is not the man for the job. But that was a horribly written, overly pretentious article that--in my judgment--does more harm to the cause then good.
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Posted on 4/20/11 at 11:50 pm to Roaad
quote:
I expect an open QB competition. I predict JJ will win the competition going into the OU game.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop the presses. What now? Is this some kind of a joke?
Posted on 4/20/11 at 11:54 pm to Santa Clause
quote:
I think the thing we're worried about isn't that Miles is "giving the job to the worse player intentionally," but rather that he's "giving the job to the guy he THINKS will be the best option, while not truly opening up competition."
There are two reasons for that:
1. You do not now, nor will you ever accept Les Miles as the Head Football Coach at LSU.
2. You have deluded yourself into believing a Butler JUCO QB is the equivalent or better than that of an experienced 3rd year SEC Starting QB.
Posted on 4/20/11 at 11:59 pm to Hitchcock
One can understand that Butler CC is not the SEC while also acknowledging that Mett has more talent than Jefferson.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:09 am to Doc Fenton
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I expect an open QB competition. I predict JJ will win the competition going into the OU game.
It is a question of definition. If you mean that you expect that Miles will create a blank slate, give all 3 QBs the same opportunity to prove themselves without rigging the supporting cast and then choose the player who performs the best in that trial as the starter, I have two responses:
1. You are not that dumb; and
2. If by some chance this happened, there is no way JJ will be the starter.
For those of us on Earth, the "open" competition will be one in which JJ is given all of the advantages and will have to--by some combination of JJ's inept fall performance and a stellar fall camp by Mett--be so outperformed by Mett that Miles will risk completely losing the respect of the team if he doesn't succumb to the obvious choice that Mett must start.
The rationale here is that we're playing a top 5 team in a bowl like atmosphere and JJ, as bad a QB as he is, has been here before. And Mett, despite being superior to JJ in every way except scrambling, might be overwhelmed by the pagentry of it all.
There is a logic to this view. However, in my judgment, it vastly underestimates how horrible a QB Jordan Jefferson is. If the 13 games of 2010 (in which he threw 7 TD passes and barely averaged 100 yards a game passing despite having three 5 star players at WR) did not convince you, go watch the spring game again. He was something like 4 of 14 in a situation in which he commanded the starting unit against our current 2nd and 3rd teamers. He missed wide open receivers. Wide open. And Shep and Ware each made nice, difficult catches that stopped a travesty of a quarterbacking performance from turning into an abortion of QB play.
He is so bad that if you gave me the option of picking an FBS QB out of the hat or JJ with all of his experience, I'd be willing to take the worst rated of three names that I pull and guarantee you that even still, he'd be a better QB than JJ.
So when we compare him to Mett, who admittedly hasn't played an SEC game but who has already outperformed two SEC starters in spring games and who led his JUCO team to a championship game and who has shown an ability to throw lots of TD passes and shockingly few interceptions, it seems to me that maybe Les ought to reconsider his QB competition and actually make it a real one.
If #9 is our starter v. Oregon, we will either lose the game or win it by the skin of our teeth.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:10 am to Hitchcock
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2. You have deluded yourself into believing a Butler JUCO QB is the equivalent or better than that of an experienced 3rd year SEC Starting QB.
The bar isn't set very high here, chief.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:15 am to Doc Fenton
quote:What part do you fail to understand.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop the presses. What now?
I have made my prediction quite clear, but here it is again:
JJ will win the job going into the OU game, and Mett will overtake him during the season.
Do you need further clarification, or are you good?
This post was edited on 4/21/11 at 12:16 am
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:16 am to Mike Linebacker
I agree with almost everything you wrote, except two things: (1) there is no way to massage the phrase "open competition" to mean the same thing as "opportunity to compete and replace the known starter"; and (2) LSU could blow out Oregon, even with JJ at QB, because our defense and running game could be that good.
JJ can thrive within a very limited set of circumstances, but going with him at QB automatically means that you are completely flushing down the toilet anything resembling a pro-style passing offense, because he will never learn to read defenses, throw decisively over the middle of the field, and not tip off where he is going to throw for an eternity before he throws it.
I'll give him credit for improving his running game on the option.
JJ can thrive within a very limited set of circumstances, but going with him at QB automatically means that you are completely flushing down the toilet anything resembling a pro-style passing offense, because he will never learn to read defenses, throw decisively over the middle of the field, and not tip off where he is going to throw for an eternity before he throws it.
I'll give him credit for improving his running game on the option.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:17 am to Roaad
It's just one of the most fancifully ridiculous things I've ever read in the history of the Rant. That's all. I'm good.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:17 am to Doc Fenton
quote:3 cheers for exaggeration. . .
It's just one of the most fancifully ridiculous things I've ever read in the history of the Rant.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:18 am to Mike Linebacker
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If #9 is our starter v. Oregon, we will either lose the game or win it by the skin of our teeth.
Just to be clear...we will be playing a team ALSO ranked in the Top 5 on a neutral field and your prediction is either a loss or a close win? Other than straight up homers...is anyone really predicting a blow out win for LSU? How then is this prediction anything other than what we'd expect given the circumstance of the game...or is it your suggestion that with Mett under center LSU blows out Oregon?
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:19 am to Roaad
No exaggeration at all, once you take away things people have posted just to be funny or to flame.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:19 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:He knows that. . .that way he can blame it on JJ.
.is anyone really predicting a blow out win for LSU?
If it is a blowout. . .it would have been a prettier blowout with some other guy.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:20 am to Doc Fenton
quote:Oh. . .so you just don't read the rant very often.
No exaggeration at all
ok
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:24 am to south bama tiger
quote:
One can understand that Butler CC is not the SEC while also acknowledging that Mett has more talent than Jefferson.
The Butler JUCO QB appears talented, but is not up to or even close SEC speed at the moment.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:26 am to Hitchcock
quote:I'm not sure how you know that. . .
The Butler JUCO QB appears talented, but is not up to or even close SEC speed at the moment.
He could be. . .
I predict he will be early in the season.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:26 am to Doc Fenton
quote:
It's just one of the most fancifully ridiculous things I've ever read in the history of the Rant.
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Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:27 am to Santa Clause
He is saying that:
is more fanciful than Trindon playing DE
or starting Flynn over Jamarcus.
He is just trying to ridicule down an opinion he finds offensive.
quote:
JJ will win the job going into the OU game, and Mett will overtake him during the season.
is more fanciful than Trindon playing DE
or starting Flynn over Jamarcus.
He is just trying to ridicule down an opinion he finds offensive.
This post was edited on 4/21/11 at 12:29 am
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:27 am to Roaad
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He knows that. . .that way he can blame it on JJ.
If it is a blowout. . .it would have been a prettier blowout with some other guy.
Who cares? I think it's fair to say that people don't expect much from JJ. Does this somehow surprise you? If JJ Plays at least average I imagine few people will complain. If he puts 2-3 average games in a row together, most of us will be thrilled.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:28 am to Roaad
Yes. That is what I am saying. (Although I think the Trindon thing was always a joke, and I did say "one of" in my earlier post.)
This post was edited on 4/21/11 at 12:30 am
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