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re: Is Pelini a better DC than Venables and Aranda?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:04 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:04 pm to SammyTiger
Do we count Key as a LB even though he was basically an end. Wouldn’t he and Rahim Alem pretty much be the same type player? Oh and I forgot to do awards my bad.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:17 pm to Madking
We can move them to DL.
But Aranda still runs away with LBs.
White is maybe the best LB to ever play at LSU
And as good as some of the DBs under Pelini were, the DBs under Aranda have been Amazing.
But Aranda still runs away with LBs.
White is maybe the best LB to ever play at LSU
And as good as some of the DBs under Pelini were, the DBs under Aranda have been Amazing.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:20 pm to Madking
Yeah, that’s why I was trying to limit it to the first three years for Aranda. That also help Aranda since it eliminates his worst defense statistically.
I agree with you on Williams but at best you have to admit that the talent was comparable for both coaches.
Even ignoring Aranda’s 4th and worst statistical defense, Pelini produced superior results despite having fewer starters/significant contributors that were selected in the NFL draft. That’s a factual statement.
I agree with you on Williams but at best you have to admit that the talent was comparable for both coaches.
Even ignoring Aranda’s 4th and worst statistical defense, Pelini produced superior results despite having fewer starters/significant contributors that were selected in the NFL draft. That’s a factual statement.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:42 pm to Madking
Interestingly, and perhaps conveniently for the purpose of this discussion, the ppg ranking of the 2007 and 2018 teams were both skewed by points given up in overtime.
2018 gave up 43 to A&M while 2007 gave up 38 combined to Arkansas and Kentucky. Adjusting for these games increases the ppg ranking of both defenses by about 10 spots.
2018 gave up 43 to A&M while 2007 gave up 38 combined to Arkansas and Kentucky. Adjusting for these games increases the ppg ranking of both defenses by about 10 spots.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:45 pm to southdowns84
Well this past season was actually a feather in Arandas cap. We had 7 starters injured for over half the season and we had 3 guys completely gone from almost the entire regular season and SEC play. Aranda and O have talked about how he had to completely re construct this defense while the season was playing out. But once we were healthy Arandas D went on a run vs top 4 opponents the last month and a half that no other defense in the country matched giving up 18ppg in the final 5 games, 3 of those vs top 4 teams on the biggest stage possible.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:51 pm to southdowns84
I think Pelini could work here. I think going back to the 4-3 means coach O will be a lot more involved in the D and we’ll see a lot more man,blitzing and cover 2 man shells opposed to Pelinis cover 3 zone. But I don’t for one second think that Pelini is on Arandas level. This guy hasn’t had anything even resembling a good D in 8-10 years and he benefitted greatly from the roster Saban put together before he arrived. The contrast in style from Sabans press man to his soft zone is probly the reason I have the opinion I do of him. I hope I’m wrong I hope between Raymond and coach O we can get something out of him.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:54 pm to Kracka
Aranda didn’t get better while at LSU. 2016 5th, 2017 12th, 2018 30th, 2019 32nd amongst many Rant calls for him to be fired.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 8:03 pm to CC
Pelini either
Increase in ppg allowed between first and last season
Pelini- 5.7ppg
Aranda- 6.1ppg
Almost the same although Pelini was at LSU before the offensive era and Aranda inherited a much worse defense. (2015 22.4ppg), (2004 17.1ppg).
Increase in ppg allowed between first and last season
Pelini- 5.7ppg
Aranda- 6.1ppg
Almost the same although Pelini was at LSU before the offensive era and Aranda inherited a much worse defense. (2015 22.4ppg), (2004 17.1ppg).
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 8:15 pm to Brobocop
His defenses were the best and most fun to watch. Better than Saban years. Better than Aranda. Chavis isn’t even close.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 8:18 pm to Madking
I share your concerns about the potential change in scheme given the evolution of college offenses since Pelini was last a DC.
However, Pelini has proven that he’s capable of coaching a top 5 defense, something Aranda was unable to do at LSU.
I also think it’s disingenuous to penalize Pelini for the talent he coached at LSU for the reasons I’ve already explained. Aranda coached just as much talent yet his defenses got worse every single year. I see no reason to believe that trend would’ve reversed had Aranda stayed.
However, Pelini has proven that he’s capable of coaching a top 5 defense, something Aranda was unable to do at LSU.
I also think it’s disingenuous to penalize Pelini for the talent he coached at LSU for the reasons I’ve already explained. Aranda coached just as much talent yet his defenses got worse every single year. I see no reason to believe that trend would’ve reversed had Aranda stayed.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 8:19 pm to Likeadog
quote:
His defenses were the best and most fun to watch. Better than Saban years. Better than Aranda. Chavis isn’t even close
I’d put 2011 and 2003 comfortably ahead of any of Pelini’s defenses.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 8:22 pm to BlackAngus
quote:
Is Pelini a better DC than Venables and Aranda?
His DC stats says that he's better than Aranda. And with all due respect, with Clemson's schedule, it wouldn't be hard to put up great numbers as a DC. I do think he's a great coach, though. Bo Pelini is one of the top defensive minds in the country. Period.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 8:25 pm to Madking
quote:
Almost the same although Pelini was at LSU before the offensive era and Aranda inherited a much worse defense. (2015 22.4ppg), (2004 17.1ppg).
The offensive era has no bearing on the relative ranking of each defense. Every team in college played the same offenses Aranda coached against this year. 30 coordinators were able to stop them better than Aranda.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 8:39 pm to Madking
quote:
Aranda inherited a much worse defense
This is absolute bullshite.
Aranda inherited a team filled with NFL talent at every level that finished the prior season ranked higher in total defense than our current team that just sent at least 6 players to the NFL draft.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:10 pm to Madking
quote:
Well this past season was actually a feather in Arandas cap. We had 7 starters injured for over half the season and we had 3 guys completely gone from almost the entire regular season and SEC play
I’m sorry but these excuses are simply unacceptable. You don’t think Dorsey’s injury in 2007 was just as impactful as Delpit’s lingering injury? You don’t remember how exhausted and rundown our 2005 defense was at the end of the year or how they had to deal with Katrina at the start? Did we really give up all those yards to Ole Miss because Todd Harris didn’t play?
We looked like shite against Texas well before guys started getting hurt and we had plenty enough talent playing to keep Vanderbilt and Arkansas from scoring more than 14.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:25 pm to southdowns84
[quote]This is absolute bull shite.
Aranda inherited a team filled with NFL talent at every level that finished the prior season ranked higher in total defense than our current team that just sent at least 6 players to the NFL draft.
You are correct! Aranda inherited great talent and finished 4th in his first year and then went on to finish 14th, 26th and 33rd. I guess I was spoiled to watching Pelini defenses....probably why I never cared for Aranda's scheme.
Aranda inherited a team filled with NFL talent at every level that finished the prior season ranked higher in total defense than our current team that just sent at least 6 players to the NFL draft.
You are correct! Aranda inherited great talent and finished 4th in his first year and then went on to finish 14th, 26th and 33rd. I guess I was spoiled to watching Pelini defenses....probably why I never cared for Aranda's scheme.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:36 pm to BlackAngus
Aranda is not available... Venables ain’t walking through the door.... so I guess Pelini unless there’s a better choice
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:12 pm to southdowns84
That’s why I don’t deal in rankings that can’t be honestly compared over separate seasons. I prefer stats because they aren’t dependent on what other teams do. And it isn’t bullshite it’s an absolute fact that Pelini inherited a much better defense. And you’re 100% wrong about the defensive comparison from 2015 to 2019. That D sent 2 players to the NFL and the fact that you’ve repeatedly said this season will send a ton means one of your statements is dishonest. As far as making excuses, they’re not they’re also facts just like the fact that Dorsey missed zero games and was the only injury of any import and comparing that to 7 guys limping around for 2/3 of the season is the only excuse in that post. And in the Texas game we held up fine until half and the second half problems were almost 100% on Ed Orgeron. It was his decision not to hydrate his players at half when we had the IVs ready, it was his decision to shorten the Dline rotation even after Lawrence got hurt, it was his decision to use that stupid controlled rush instead of going after the QB. You’re being completely biased and using a double standard to compare these two coaches.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:57 am to Jmonsta2243
quote:yes. i agree.
Venables is one of the best.
but LSU, Joe Burrow, Coach E and Brady, figured out Venables, it was over.
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Posted on 11/23/20 at 10:36 am to s2
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