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re: Is Pelini a better DC than Venables and Aranda?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:19 pm to BlackAngus
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:19 pm to BlackAngus
I’ll repeat what I said in the other thread:
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Put it this way, I think Pelini will have better defenses here (this go-around) than Aranda did.
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:23 pm to Madking
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And that was his only good year. The season after taking over he gave up 28.5ppg. The season after the one you’re talking about was the start of his 4 year run I listed before, all between 23-29ppg.
LOL.
His 2010 defense finished 9th in ppg and 11th in total defense.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:24 pm to southdowns84
You’re correct that was also a very good defense.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:31 pm to Madking
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Lol Pelini had 3 top 6 NFL draft picks along with the single most decorated defensive player in LSU history. Besides corner Pelini has the advantage in talent at every single position group. The talent isn’t even comparable, neither are the eras.
Players coached by Pelini that were drafted in the top 3 rounds:
Claude Wrotten
Laron Landry
Glen Dorsey
Chevis Jackson
Tyson Jackson
Players coached by Aranda that were drafted in the top 3 rounds (during his first 3 years):
Jamal Adams
Tre White
Duke Riley
Kendall Beckwith
Donte Jackson
Arden Key
Devin White
Greedy Williams
Players Aranda coached this year that will likely be drafted during the top 3 rounds:
Grant Delpit
K'Lavon Chaisson
Kristian Fulton
Patrick Queen
Derek Stingley
Tyler Shelvin
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:31 pm to Brobocop
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It could be argued that during his tenure at LSU, his defenses were of the same caliber.
Oh really? When did Aranda do this?
"During Pelini's three years as LSU defensive coordinator under then-coach Les Miles from 2005-07, the Tigers ranked third nationally on defense all three years. In two of those season, LSU ranked atop the Southeastern Conference in defense."
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:32 pm to southdowns84
Simply not true and speculation doesn’t equal fact
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:34 pm to ffhouston
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n other words, a "maniac" should be able to fit into a staff headed by a guy who rips his shirt off and punches himself in the jaw on the reg.
I agree. I’m a huge fan of the hire. I think he fits right in with what coach O is trying to do at LSU. Just don’t bring a tape recorder into his office lol.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:37 pm to BlackAngus
He was the Aranda of the early 2000s. Whether he still has the mojo remains to be determined.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:39 pm to Madking
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Simply not true and speculation doesn’t equal fact
The first two lists are absolute matters of fact. Do you not agree?
Tell me which players you think won't get drafted in the top 3 rounds from the 3rd list. I'll give you maybe Shelvin but the remainder are all forgone conclusions.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:40 pm to Madking
Pelini had a better DL by a long shot
Aranda has better LBs by a looooong shot
DBs are a push favoring Aranda.
Aranda has better LBs by a looooong shot
DBs are a push favoring Aranda.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:40 pm to BlackAngus
He's more comparable to Venables than Aranda
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:43 pm to BlackAngus
Bo always had much higher ranked defenses then Aranda when he was a DC.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:43 pm to southdowns84
No they’re not, you’re missing players drafted in the 3rd or above that Pelini coached like Drake Nevis and Kelvin Sheppard off the top of my head. You’re also ignoring great players like Kyle Williams. As far as your upcoming draft speculation it doesn’t matter who we disagree on, neither of us know so you including them just proves your pattern of detaching from fact whenever it suits you.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:47 pm to SammyTiger
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Peeling had a better DL by a long shot
Aranda has better LBs by a looooong shot
DBs are a push favoring Aranda.
That's fair.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:53 pm to southdowns84
Pelini will be better than Aranda and you are stupid if you don’t agree
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:53 pm to SammyTiger
Closer than you think
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:56 pm to BlackAngus
Didn't read all the bullshite, but since tRant is arguing against it, I'll say he is comparable. Put together tough arse Ds here during our run in 05, 06 and 07
Posted on 1/27/20 at 5:59 pm to Madking
Which one do you think is closer?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:01 pm to SammyTiger
Let’s break em down. How are we categorizing them? Guys he coached or what they did in both coach’s defenses?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:01 pm to Madking
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No they’re not, you’re missing players drafted in the 3rd or above that Pelini coached like Drake Nevis and Kelvin Sheppard off the top of my head.
Neither of those players started during 2007. I also didn't count guys like Kary Vincent, Jacob Phillips, Jacoby Stevens, Rashard Lawrence, Glenn Logan and guys like Hampton, Ika, Brooks, and other true freshmen with promise on the 2019 team.
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You’re also ignoring great players like Kyle Williams.
I didn't ignore him. He wasn't drafted in the top 3 rounds.
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As far as your upcoming draft speculation it doesn’t matter who we disagree on
It absolutely matters. I'd know I'm dealing with someone that insists on being unreasonable if you believe any of them besides Shelvin are likely to fall outside of the top 3 rounds.
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