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re: Is Pelini a better DC than Venables and Aranda?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:02 pm to BlackAngus
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:02 pm to BlackAngus
No
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:05 pm to The Pirate King
Aranda struggle this year because LSU changed their offensive scheme to a hurry up offense. No way the defense could be on the field that much and anyone should expect the same level of play they had the year before.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:06 pm to BlackAngus
He's been an excellent DC at every stop where that was his position with the exception of when he took over the one year at Nebraska. Even when he was limited with some shitty Miles hires for position coahces, he put up top 3 defenses at LSU and OU.
He had Earl Lane as a DL coach here. He had Mallory as a DB coach AND Peveto as a LB coach splitting time with the special teams.
He's going to have a hell of a lot better set of assistants at LSU now this go around.
That said, we'll see how things turn out, but he has every opportunity to be as good as both those guys.
Aranda was honestly quite underwhelming given his hype and how much people lauded him. He was nowhere near as good as some would like to believe.
He had Earl Lane as a DL coach here. He had Mallory as a DB coach AND Peveto as a LB coach splitting time with the special teams.
He's going to have a hell of a lot better set of assistants at LSU now this go around.
That said, we'll see how things turn out, but he has every opportunity to be as good as both those guys.
Aranda was honestly quite underwhelming given his hype and how much people lauded him. He was nowhere near as good as some would like to believe.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:06 pm to BlackAngus
He is a great DC. He is elite and it’s not even a denate
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:09 pm to BlackAngus
pelini may or may not be a better dc than aranda or venables, but he's in the upper echelon of dcs.
he was a much better than average coach at nebraska. actually did a great job there.
he was a much better than average coach at nebraska. actually did a great job there.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:11 pm to southdowns84
So now you’re moving the goal posts as well as projecting. You’re the one who used the standard of “players they coached” now you wanna reject it because it goes against your narrative. And you’re the one using speculation as fact then attacking me for not subscribing to that fantasy. Thanks for proving my point.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:15 pm to Madking
Sweet, you're a fricking dumbass and one of my least favorite people on the Rant.
Since we're playing the PPG game:
Pelini: 5, 4, 17 (8.66 avg)
Aranda: 5, 15, 39, 29 (22 avg)
What do YOU define as "significantly better?" Shut the frick up and go be miserable somewhere else
Since we're playing the PPG game:
Pelini: 5, 4, 17 (8.66 avg)
Aranda: 5, 15, 39, 29 (22 avg)
What do YOU define as "significantly better?" Shut the frick up and go be miserable somewhere else
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:21 pm to LSUgrad08112
you seem like a stable person lol
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:22 pm to Madking
lol you seem like a moron who's wrong 99.9% of the time that you open your mouth but refuse slow down after 18,500 posts. I honestly hope that you're a troll and aren't seriously as stupid as you seem
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:27 pm to LSUgrad08112
So your points as stated are
-opinion
-make believe
-opinion
-opinion
-opinion
Basically your entire mindset is “if you don’t agree with me you’re a moron, retard, dumbfrick.”
Rantard irony is never in short supply. Thanks for the ignorance.
-opinion
-make believe
-opinion
-opinion
-opinion
Basically your entire mindset is “if you don’t agree with me you’re a moron, retard, dumbfrick.”
Rantard irony is never in short supply. Thanks for the ignorance.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:29 pm to Madking
Guys they coaches
DL
Pelini: Dorsey, Jackson, Williams, Wrotten, Livingston, RJF, Rahim Alem, Charles Alexander, Drake Nevis, Al Woods, Marlon Favorite Chase Pittman Kirsten Pittman
Aranda: Godchaux, Neal, Lacouture, Gilmore, Lawrence, Alexander Shelvin Logan Farrell and Thomas
LBs
Pelini: Highsmith, Fr Sheppard, Stoltz, Sanders, D Beckwith, Cutrera, Riley, Odom,
Aranda: D White, Queen, Phillips, Divinity, Kendal Beckwith, Riley, Chaisson, Key
DB.
Pelini: Landry, Jessie Daniels, Craig Steltz, Jonathan Zenon, Chevis Jackson, Danny McCray
Aranda: Toliver, Jackson, Adams, Delpit, greedy, Fulton, Stingley, White, Dwayne Thomas was good.
DL
Pelini: Dorsey, Jackson, Williams, Wrotten, Livingston, RJF, Rahim Alem, Charles Alexander, Drake Nevis, Al Woods, Marlon Favorite Chase Pittman Kirsten Pittman
Aranda: Godchaux, Neal, Lacouture, Gilmore, Lawrence, Alexander Shelvin Logan Farrell and Thomas
LBs
Pelini: Highsmith, Fr Sheppard, Stoltz, Sanders, D Beckwith, Cutrera, Riley, Odom,
Aranda: D White, Queen, Phillips, Divinity, Kendal Beckwith, Riley, Chaisson, Key
DB.
Pelini: Landry, Jessie Daniels, Craig Steltz, Jonathan Zenon, Chevis Jackson, Danny McCray
Aranda: Toliver, Jackson, Adams, Delpit, greedy, Fulton, Stingley, White, Dwayne Thomas was good.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:32 pm to Madking
How about this. You tell me the criteria that can be applied to both and we’ll use that.
The easiest criteria that can be applied to both would be to compare players drafted immediately following Aranda’s first 3 years to players drafted immediately after Pelini’s 3 years at LSU.
That means Tyson Jackson doesn’t count for Pelini and Delpit, Fulton, Queen, etc. don’t count for Aranda.
You’ll find Aranda had more players drafted. He also had more 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks.
The easiest criteria that can be applied to both would be to compare players drafted immediately following Aranda’s first 3 years to players drafted immediately after Pelini’s 3 years at LSU.
That means Tyson Jackson doesn’t count for Pelini and Delpit, Fulton, Queen, etc. don’t count for Aranda.
You’ll find Aranda had more players drafted. He also had more 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:35 pm to BlackAngus
Time will tell if he is better than those two. If he brings to the table what he did the last time he was at LSU then yes he will be as good. Mid way through this season many on these boards were questioning Aranda's ability to be our DC.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:39 pm to LaTexSaint
Well. You can argue about the stout talent that Aranda was surrounded with and we gave up a ton of yards and points this year....sooooo apples to apples he’s as good or better....
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:44 pm to SammyTiger
Ok so we agree on the dline right? Pelini has more?
LBs and DBs I’ll do Pelini you do Aranda
Pelini- first team All-American: Ali Highsmith 2007
Pelini- first team All-SEC: Ali Highsmith (AP and Coaches) 2007
Kelvin Sheppard (AP and Coaches) 2010
- Pelini second team All-SEC: Ali Highsmith 2006
Derry Beckwith (coaches) 2007
Derry Beckwith (AP) 2008
DBs
First Team All-American: Laron Landry (AP and Coaches) 2006
Craig Steltz (AP, CBS, SI, Rivals and FB writers) 2007
First team All-SEC: Laron Landry (coaches) 2005
Laron Landry (AP and Coaches) 2006
Chevis Jackson (AP and Coaches) 2007
Craig Steltz (AP, Coaches) 2007
That’s 3 first team All-Americans
7 first team All-SEC players
3 second team All-SEC players in 3 years
LBs and DBs I’ll do Pelini you do Aranda
Pelini- first team All-American: Ali Highsmith 2007
Pelini- first team All-SEC: Ali Highsmith (AP and Coaches) 2007
Kelvin Sheppard (AP and Coaches) 2010
- Pelini second team All-SEC: Ali Highsmith 2006
Derry Beckwith (coaches) 2007
Derry Beckwith (AP) 2008
DBs
First Team All-American: Laron Landry (AP and Coaches) 2006
Craig Steltz (AP, CBS, SI, Rivals and FB writers) 2007
First team All-SEC: Laron Landry (coaches) 2005
Laron Landry (AP and Coaches) 2006
Chevis Jackson (AP and Coaches) 2007
Craig Steltz (AP, Coaches) 2007
That’s 3 first team All-Americans
7 first team All-SEC players
3 second team All-SEC players in 3 years
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:49 pm to southdowns84
How does Tyson Jackson not count when of all the players who played for Pelini at LSU his sack total was the single season best under Pelini? He played under Pelini in all but 1 of his years in college. And Aranda was here longer so of course he’ll have slightly more players drafted.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:54 pm to Madking
quote:
How does Tyson Jackson not count when of all the players who played for Pelini at LSU his sack total was the single season best under Pelini? He played under Pelini in all but 1 of his years in college. And Aranda was here longer so of course he’ll have slightly more players drafted.
He can count if Delpit, Fulton, Phillips, Lawrence, and the rest of the guys that started on last years defense counts for Aranda.
That’s fair.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:57 pm to BlackAngus
Let’s see, he had better ranked defenses than Arranda. He also had at least nine wins a season at Nebraska.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 6:59 pm to Madking
Aranda LBs
Arden Key: 1st Team All SEC 2016, 2017
Le fell Beckwith 1st Team All SEC Coaches 2016, 2nd Team All SEC AP 2016
Devin White: 1st Team All SEC 2017 and 2018, 1st Team All American AP 2018, Butkus Award 2019, 2016 All SEC Freshmen Team.
Chaisson: 1st All SEC Coaches, 2nd All SEC AP, All SEC Freshmen 2017
DBs:
Please don’t make me do this in my phone
Arden Key: 1st Team All SEC 2016, 2017
Le fell Beckwith 1st Team All SEC Coaches 2016, 2nd Team All SEC AP 2016
Devin White: 1st Team All SEC 2017 and 2018, 1st Team All American AP 2018, Butkus Award 2019, 2016 All SEC Freshmen Team.
Chaisson: 1st All SEC Coaches, 2nd All SEC AP, All SEC Freshmen 2017
DBs:
Please don’t make me do this in my phone
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:01 pm to southdowns84
Of course, I never meant to imply that those guys wouldn’t be drafted only that we don’t know exactly where all of this years eligible players would be. It’s also hard to ignore that Kyle Williams was taken in the 5th round but was not only an LSU great but an NFL All-Pro and multi time Pro-Bowl player. So draft position doesn’t tell the full story especially when it comes to college value or production. Also remember that Aranda was here for a year longer than Pelini so he’s going to have more players drafted automatically.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 7:03 pm
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