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re: Here's why I'm ok with us running the football Saturday
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:30 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:30 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Why does it have to be extreme with people? Being less predictable would have taken the ten got damn men out of the box. Our OL and Fournette played unbelievable running straight into a wall in the second half and still killing it. Had they tried anything to spread out the defense or take some guys off the line with long PA passes in the second half on 1st and/or 2nd downs, it would have made it much, much easier for Fournette.
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 12:53 am to LACountyTiger
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You can still protect Harris and prevent him from making mistakes while still throwing safe passes on 1st or second down or even running LF out of a pass formation.
Miles and Cam went into a shell Saturday and basically telegraphed every play from mid 3rd quarter on. And it damn near resulted in a loss.
I definitely hear that LACountyTiger. Of course I wish we would have thrown a few more passes in the second half. But sitting back and observing, its not likely you can disagree with my assessment. BH is our future, and he is also our present. And the kid has it...every tool you could want and more. The one aspect that separates kids with talent from being great QB's is mental aptitude and confidence. I think that the coaches are trying to maintain BH's confidence. If this game was say week 6, I think you see a totally different gameplan. I think you see us step on the gas. I mean the kid only made one bad decision all night and even that was basically a punt (threw into double coverage down the seam to Dural). Think of how high this guy is feeling heading into the biggest matchup of the first 3/4 of our schedule. I can't wait for Saturday.
And as an aside, LF is the best talent at running back that I have seen at LSU ever. Dude could be a Bo Jackson/Hershel Walker type player. I was PUMPED that we got that man the ball 28 times saturday night. I think going forward some of those touches will be in the passing game as we've seen he has some pretty soft hands. But he has a chance to be the best tailback LSU has ever put on the field and that is saying a TON. Can't believe we get to watch all of these talented skill guys for at least this and next season. Gonna be one hell of a ride!!!
Ps...BH even said "Number 7 is the best player on our team...if we are feeding him the ball, we are playing to win". Just so excited about this damn strong football team!!!
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:50 am to LACountyTiger
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Running the ball is not the issue. We all know we are a run first team. The issue is that once we got a 14-3 lead the play calling became conservative beyond words and nearly let State steal the game. It's not like we were running and getting 7 yards every play. They were stuffing is at the line and even though LF would occasionally break one, they were still forcing too many 3 and outs. Again, that nearly cost the game. Not only that, we were riunning out of formations that told everyone watching exactly what was coming.
Very well put. The fact that you have as many down votes as you do, after your factual post, signifies the amount of mouth breathers on here that walk through life dragging their knuckles.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:22 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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But nobody is looking at the flip side of that. Let's say on two of those 3 and out drives we passed on first down and it was incomplete. We run on second down and then pass on third and it's incomplete, or we don't get the first. We are talking about adding an extra 2-3 minutes to the game. Does anybody believe we could have stopped MSU from scoring on that last drive to take the lead if they had more time??
That appears to be the exact mentality Les has in his ultraconservative play calling. That mentality will not win any type championship. Teams scared to pass the ball will not win any type championship, period. Assuming the worse never leads to greatness.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:54 am to Hold That Tiger 10
I am with ya OP..
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:18 am to justustm2
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That appears to be the exact mentality Les has in his ultraconservative play calling. That mentality will not win any type championship.
I agree this game plan will not win LSU a championship. I believe I even said in my OP that we will struggle against other teams with this attack. However, last weekend was about Harris and his long term success and about winning the game. I believe we accomplished both with the style we played. Mission complete.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:54 am to Penrod
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I don't know about this. When we scored our last TD it was on a long drive that only had one pass, if I remember correctly. I'll give you 14-0, but the 21 came from a run intensive drive.
That one pass came on 3rd and 5. Had we not completed that pass, the drive stalls and we punt from midfield.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 8:57 am
Posted on 9/15/15 at 3:55 pm to dreaux
that would be iteration
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:00 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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However, last weekend was about Harris and his long term success and about winning the game. I believe we accomplished both with the style we played. Mission complete.
Harris's first start of his career was against a ranked SEC team on the road and people accused Miles of "setting him up to fail." Harris's second start of his career was against a ranked SEC team on the road and people are accusing Miles of "playing not to win."
It's retarded.
The important thing was allowing Harris to execute the game plan and getting comfortable in the offense without making a huge mistake or costing us the game.
Harris completed 64% of his passes, despite an obviously bad call on 2nd&19 and an unfortunate penalty on a beautiful touchdown pass ... an we won the game. Given the circumstances, that's about all you can ask for ... we'll open up the play calling in November when Harris is more seasoned and we're playing games that actually matter.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:00 pm to BrerTiger
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That one pass came on 3rd and 5. Had we not completed that pass, the drive stalls and we punt from midfield.
And if we don't have two TDs called back the score is very lopsided. Why do you and your ilk keep doing what ifs only in the negative?
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:04 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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1) First and foremost....Fournette looked like the beast we all knew he was. Us throwing the football would mean less touches for him. He's as much of a home run threat touching the football as any passing play we may run
more first downs (ie: less 3 and outs) in the second half might mean Fournette gets more carries too
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2) Our defense looked great in the first half, but the major concern we all knew was depth in the trenches and at line backer. Our defense ran out of gas late in the game and it showed. Running the ball took time off the clock, and made our defense play less downs. Of course there is the 3 and out argument, and our defense getting right back on the field, but you have to go back to #1...you don't expect much three-and-out with Fournette running the football.
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3) The plan was obviously to ease Harris into the starting position. The coaching staff was dead set on not letting him cost us the game, and possibly costing Harris his confidence. He looked great in his limited opportunities though.
smartest thing you said
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 9/15/15 at 4:18 pm to LNCHBOX
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Well, since we held them to a long FG on a 4th down, I say yes
Their delay of game there was clutch.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:43 pm to LACountyTiger
+ 1 all true... back to Cholly Mac's days
Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:54 pm to LNCHBOX
Les is going to ride #7 til He cant ride him anymore. Not having that practice game against McNeese really hurt Harris development. If Les dont trust a qb to pass then Les aint passig the ball like that. I dont see Quinn playing alot either cause Les wants those wrs to get wide booty open for Harris to even attempt a pass and also block down field for #7. Its a good strategy for Ugly victories but will also aggrivate a fan base who wants to see pretty sprirals drop into wrs hands.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 5:57 pm to jbrau22
jbrau22
Posted on 9/15/15 at 6:01 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Their delay of game there was clutch.
Neither of those kicks would have been good from 5 yards closer. But great job missing the point.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:49 pm to LNCHBOX
Its of my opinion LSUs offensive play calling was horrible in the second half. Much of LF success was in the first half and very early in the second half. THE REASON....... we were passing the ball. Late in the game we stopped passing.
We need to continue acting like we can pass to loosen up the defenses in the future. If our play calling is the same for future games we will have a disappointing season. LSU must have a balanced offensive attack.
We need to continue acting like we can pass to loosen up the defenses in the future. If our play calling is the same for future games we will have a disappointing season. LSU must have a balanced offensive attack.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:58 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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If we throw an interception, then the game may have went the other way.
Who is to say we don't hit another bomb to TD or MD for 6....you're speculating and assuming just like I am.
The game plan worked out....this time.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:04 pm to ForeLSU
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You want him to develop into the best he can be, and losing one game at MSU at the beginning of the year isn't worth risking the impact on his psyche if he puts up a pick 6 in the 4th quarter to cost the team a win.
I hear what you're saying but frankly I dont believe in hand holding....more of a trial by fire guy. Throwing a pick in the middle of the third quarter would not, in all likelihood, be the sole cause of a loss.
The boy needs to throw some more balls in real game situations to develop any kind of confidence and rhythm. He cant be afraid to make a mistake for fear of being yanked.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:08 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Had they tried anything to spread out the defense or take some guys off the line with long PA passes in the second half on 1st and/or 2nd downs,
Correct....if they would have tried any play action or intermediate passes or even a spread formation....even if incomplete.....LF might have added another 80-100 yards to his total. The LBs and safeties would have had to respect the pass to a degree and not just basically walked into the box almost right up to the line on some plays.
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