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re: Herb Tyler explains why LSU football has struggled to find a QB
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:02 pm to luvlsufootball
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:02 pm to luvlsufootball
If Tyler can judge talent at qb then we in good shape. He saying Scott is a star in the making Watson type playmaker.
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:29 pm to DTRooster
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take those statistical blinders off
They are facts.
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Since 2009 LSU has been winning in spite of Miles not because of. The man wasted more talent than this school has ever seen the last few years while guiding us to a .500 sec record.
You have no fricking clue what youre talking about. The very best coaches in cfb lose every year. Its not some huge failure for other coaches to lose 2-3 a year.
Educate yourself about cfb.
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Your Miles homerism is sickening
Youre one of those football ignorant posters that think im defending miles by posting facts.
Its not my opinion that miles is the most successful coach in lsu history. Its a fricking fact.
Deal with it.
Whether you like it or not Les miles is one of the winningest coaches in SEC HISTORY let alone lsu history.
Also there are very few coaches that can recruit AND COACH at an elite level. That's what makes them the best coaches in cfb.
The best coach of our generation loses to an inferior team every year.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:31 pm to AlwysATgr
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It took a season for Mett to overcome Les's misguided philosophy and circumvent all the non-coaching available.
More qbs have played well during miles tenure than not.
Jruss,mett, jj (2009),jlee (2011),flynn all have had good seasons under miles.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:42 pm to Tiger Tracker
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That's not true. You're telling me that throwing mechanics/motion can't be coached?
Its takes years to chnage throwing motions. You can practice the new motion all you want but youll revert back to what you've done under pressure.
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that logic no qb ever could improve accuracy since it can't be learned
Bruh of you could improve accuracy by a great deal then every nfl qb would be very accurate and we know thats not true.
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Mett was a juco transfer who had already been prepped, so to speak, b
Holy shite. 1 year at juco does not prep you for sec football. My god.
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Technically, yes, he improved but he went from terrible to average at best and only for one year.
He started only 2 years. If you're saying 2013 was average at best then you clearly have no idea about lsu history. His 2013 season is arguably 1 of the 3 best passing seasons in lsu history.
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so you're telling me all these QBs lsu has had over the years were all just overrated? Their performance was because they weren't that good? It had nothing to do with under development by our QB coach?
We have had qbs get better under miles. If you cant admit this then your bias is showing.
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Honestly, i can't believe that you truly believe that our QBs were developed properly.
What? I said some were developed and they were.
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True he did have a better year in 2013 than 2012, but i think Cameron's arrival had a larger role in that since his system fit Mett well. I just meant that he wasn't fresh out of high school when he came to LSU.
Agreed.
Look the qb development under miles wasnt great by any means bit we did have some qbs get better under miles. Thats all im saying.
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Not the exact same, no, but you have to admit Miles had his finger in the offense a little too much.
Agreed. His refusal to allow our qbs to throw over the middlen because of the pick 6's in 2008, severely limited our offense. It was his undoing in the end.
Thats just not true until kragthorpe got sick. That was jimbo's offense and crowton's offense.
I agree Cam wasnt running his Air Coryell offense.
Miles was justly fired.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:56 pm to luvlsufootball
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Etling was given a chance to survive and thrive because the fans put no expectations on him
Posted on 1/12/17 at 11:04 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Harris was given every opportunity to succeed.
With 2 wr sets on 3rd and long
Posted on 1/12/17 at 11:22 pm to luvlsufootball
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No one quarterback, from incumbent starter Danny Etling to Harris vying for his old job to any of the players behind them on the depth chart, should get all the coaches’ focus...
this one x 100
unless you have one that is REALLY good, they all should get some practice snaps with the best lines and WR's. guys get injured. use party accessories. get sick, flunk out. gamble with brother's ID. whatever.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 11:27 pm to luvlsufootball
What I'm going to say is very sad. But LSU has produced only two NFL caliber quarterbacks in 65 years. Bert Jones and Y.A. Title.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:03 am to texastigerpaul
That's just wrong. Tommy Hodson, David Woodley and Mett all started multiple games at QB in the NFL. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:33 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Bruh of you could improve accuracy by a great deal then every nfl qb would be very accurate and we know thats not true.
I didn't mean by a great deal, but you should be able to imrpove accuracy enough to hit a 5 yard slant
I think Harris had the talent, but his football iq is really low which is why he made a lot of the poor throws he did. More of that than a talent issue.
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Holy shite. 1 year at juco does not prep you for sec football. My god.
that's not what i was saying. I am talking about his actual qb development and talent were already solid before coming. A bit more developed than someone fresh out of high school. quote:
He started only 2 years. If you're saying 2013 was average at best then you clearly have no idea about lsu history. His 2013 season is arguably 1 of the 3 best passing seasons in lsu history.
This was a comment about lee no mett.
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We have had qbs get better under miles. If you cant admit this then your bias is showing.
Yes we have, but i was talking about the QB coaches in my quote. Also getting better doesn't mean that they were actually above average. It was more like the qbs got better in the sense of "wow they are hard to watch" to game manager. Not really stellar QB play though.
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What? I said some were developed and they were.
Who all would you say saw significant improvement as QB during their time at LSU?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:25 am to luvlsufootball
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The way Tyler sees it, Etling was given a chance to survive and thrive because the fans put no expectations on him.
I call BS. Harris came in at a time when none of the Fanbase put expectations on him either. He simply was not able to perform. I don't think that our quarterback or necessarily adequately prepared hundred Miles. But it Lane is a far better quarterback and leader than Harris.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:40 am to munchman
Harris
54% ----- 2,756 yards ---- 7.9 yds/attempt ---- 20tds ---- 10ints ---- 2/1 td/int ratio ---- 134 rating
10-5 as a starter
66.67% winning pct
Danny Etling
60% ---- 1906 yards ----- 7.9 yds/attempt ---- 9 tds----- 4 int ----- 2.25td/1 int ratio ----- 135 rating
6-3 as a starter
66.67% winning pct
So both qbs have near identical stats, while having identical win percentages.
*does not include Louisville game
54% ----- 2,756 yards ---- 7.9 yds/attempt ---- 20tds ---- 10ints ---- 2/1 td/int ratio ---- 134 rating
10-5 as a starter
66.67% winning pct
Danny Etling
60% ---- 1906 yards ----- 7.9 yds/attempt ---- 9 tds----- 4 int ----- 2.25td/1 int ratio ----- 135 rating
6-3 as a starter
66.67% winning pct
So both qbs have near identical stats, while having identical win percentages.
*does not include Louisville game
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 7:41 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:02 am to luvlsufootball
His assessment is hit and miss. The idea that LSU QB's were not properly prepared and were on a short leash is apparent to most who paid attention during the Miles era.
However, equating QB failure with expectations is speculation at best and is only worthy of conjecture driven conversation.
However, equating QB failure with expectations is speculation at best and is only worthy of conjecture driven conversation.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:30 am to SnookyMonsta
The most likely writer of this period of history is Les.
"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." (Winston Churchill)
"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." (Winston Churchill)
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:33 am to luvlsufootball
Spoken like a true LSU fan. The back up is the savior.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:35 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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With 2 wr sets on 3rd and long
Y'all should really go back and watch the games.
Harris just isn't that good.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:36 am to texastigerpaul
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What I'm going to say is very sad. But LSU has produced only two NFL caliber quarterbacks in 65 years. Bert Jones and Y.A. Title.
Les has had 3 QBs start in the NFL....
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:51 am to luvlsufootball
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Etling was given a chance to survive and thrive because the fans put no expectations on him. Harris was expected by the coaches and fans to be LSU’s savior from Day 1. That might just be a product of the monster created by modern-day recruiting. Quarterbacks are either expected to come in and fix everything or be banished to Elba, never to be seen or heard from again.
This is a horrible attitude to have toward QBs and excuses for a lack of development. EVERY QB has and should have high expectations of themselves if they want to start at a major college football program. High expectations are part of the job, and those expectations require maturity to work hard at your deficiencies following varying amounts of constructive criticism in order to develop. A "fragile psyche" of certain young men disqualifies them from being a successful QB.
If Harris wants to regain the position, he better knock off the sideline pouting when he makes a mistake and change his attitude of how he may feel he should be treated (if he feels he's being mistreated). He should work overtime in the offseason on accuracy, timing, progressions and decision making. I would LOVE to see Harris mature between last year's pouting and frustration to demonstrate the "ice water in the veins" focus and determination that is REQUIRED to be successful at the QB position. I am pulling for him because unlike most LSU fans, I believe he has what it takes if her works at it. I believe he could be great if he can laser focus his development over the next several months.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 8:53 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:07 am to moneyg
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meh. Etling succeeded (to the degree he did which wasn't a huge amount of success) because he was able to execute much more of the offense than Harris was. He did have less pressure, but the pressure Harris had was tied to the season last year (where he had less pressure and was given time to improve but never did) and to Miles' issues.
This. Etling had less pressure because he completed the passes that BH was not completing. BH went 3 and out twice (with several terrible passes) before DE came in and engineered 3 scoring drives to seal the deal as a starting QB at LSU. When you complete passes and keep the chains moving there is less pressure than when you overthrow a wide open receiver out in the flats. DE was driving the same exact car and produced points...not punts. That idiot who pulled the race card out saying its a skin color thing...
Bottom-line: BH can't complete short to medium passes accurately. That is a God given gift, you can coach mechanics but in the end either you can or can not throw accurately. To blame inaccurate passes on coaching is a scapegoat for poor play. If BH comes out and completes 12/15 passes in the spring game then maybe give him another look, but his pass completion is way less than 50% and that shouldn't be blamed on coaching.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:18 am to dgnx6
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Y'all should really go back and watch the games.
Harris just isn't that good.
Neither is Etling, really. It speaks to what LSU fans now define as "good."
But here are some stats that are being overlooked:
Etling in 2.5 games under Miles/Cameron - 40/71 (56%), 433 yds (173.2 ypg), 3 TDs.
Etling in 8 games under Ensminger (Harris never had this opportunity) - 120/198 (61%), 1690 yds (211 ypg), 8 TDs.
Harris' 1/4 game against Jacksonville St. got him benched. Etling was only 6/14 in that game.
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