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re: Herb Tyler explains why LSU football has struggled to find a QB
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:06 am to luvlsufootball
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:06 am to luvlsufootball
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C'mon man. lol!!! I missed that in the article. Let me do a re-read.
You wont find it. That is what those of his ilk do. They complain of the race card rather than racism. History tells me one has been much, much more devastating than the other. But for some, the devastating one is not the problem. I wonder why? (Not really).
The "race card" and "race baiting" is the creation of racists to divert attention and derision from racism to those who would challenge racism.
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:38 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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With 2 wr sets on 3rd and long
bullshite our most used set in 2015 was 3 wrs set. Its like you people dont watch the games.
our most used set was 3 wr set. it was the leading set im 10.games in 2015. educate yourself instead of regurgitating rant bullshite
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:42 am to texastigerpaul
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What I'm going to say is very sad. But LSU has produced only two NFL caliber quarterbacks in 65 years. Bert Jones and Y.A. Title.
You have no idea what youre talking about.
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The SEC school that has produced the most drafted quarterbacks, at least over the last 40 years, is LSU. The Tigers have had eight quarterbacks drafted since 1990 and 10 since 1970. Mettenberger would be the 11th.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:48 am to Spankem
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Bottom-line: BH can't complete short to medium passes accurately. That is a God given gift, you can coach mechanics but in the end either you can or can not throw accurately.
Exactly. You are either accurate as a passer or youre not. If you could improve accuracy by a significant amount then every nfl qb ever would be accurate. Harris' inability to maneuver inside the pocket (when have you ever seen harris step up in the pocket),his inability to trust his decision making(when have you ever seen Harris take his 3,5,or 7 step drop and fire the ball out once his plant foot hit), and his inability to connect on the simplest of passes is the reason he isnt lsu's starting qb.
Etling isnt some all world talent at all but he can do the 3 things listed above.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 10:51 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:09 am to luvlsufootball
Etling was already thrown into the fire at Purdue. By the time he was at LSU, he was prepared for anything. Can't say the same for Harris.
I still say OPEN QB Battle in 2017!
I still say OPEN QB Battle in 2017!
Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:18 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Harris' inability to maneuver inside the pocket (when have you ever seen harris step up in the pocket),his inability to trust his decision making(when have you ever seen Harris take his 3,5,or 7 step drop and fire the ball out once his plant foot hit), and his inability to connect on the simplest of passes is the reason he isnt lsu's starting qb.
Etling isnt some all world talent at all but he can do the 3 things listed above.
This all seems like simple solutions with repetitions on footwork/timing in the pocket right? It appears that if he really works hard to improve footwork, pocket presence/movement and timing on throws, he would improve his accuracy. Those things seem coachable. I think Brandon's biggest problem is more a mental one with delivering the ball on time which is an umbrella of most of your breakdown. If he waits to see the WR come open, he is forced to rifle the ball which leads to overthrows/under-throws or even an accurate but difficult-to-catch fastball. If Canada can develop his timing and footwork/pocket presence, Harris' accuracy and confidence would improve tremendously. I believe he is our best option from a talent standpoint and I don't think his deficiencies are un-coachable, but I may be way off and just hoping to see him succeed.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:34 am to Cracking
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he would improve his accuracy
Of course you can make small adjustments in footwork to make small improvement on throwing accuracy but accuracy isnt something you can coach.
Harris had an entire year and an offseason as the starter and he was still throwing easy passes horribly inaccurate.
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. I think Brandon's biggest problem is more a mental one with delivering the ball on time which is an umbrella of most of your breakdown.
Agreed.
He doesnt trust his decision making. He has to see the wr opening up before throwing the ball.
That is coachable.
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Harris' accuracy and confidence would improve tremendou
This just isnt true. You cant tremendously improve accuracy. If you could then everyone could be a qb.dure you can work on footwork to make small improvements but nothing is going to make a 48% passer a 68% passer.
Accuracy throwing a football is god given to a certain extent. If it wasnt then every nfl qb thats ever lived would be extremely accurate.
But i do believe Canada can improve Harris as a qb. He just cant make Harris extremely accurate.
I think Harris can be a effective qb for lsu. I just think as of now Etling does some of those things better.
Harris has more physical gifts than etling for sure.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 11:36 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:42 am to Cjscore
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Whitey trying to keep the black man down. I do agree there was very little development under the old regime. The race card pulled though, come on man
No, just no.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:51 am to luvlsufootball
bc les miles?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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. If you could then everyone could be a qb.dure you can work on footwork to make small improvements but nothing is going to make a 48% passer a 68% passer.
Accuracy throwing a football is god given to a certain extent. If it wasnt then every nfl qb thats ever lived would be extremely accurate.
But i do believe Canada can improve Harris as a qb. He just cant make Harris extremely accurate.
I think Harris can be a effective qb for lsu. I just think as of now Etling does some of those things better.
Well, Harris is a career 53.8% passer. Etling is only 56.6%. Much like the Lee/Jefferson arguments that still go on, the difference between the two isn't as substantial as some would make it out to be.
Etling had games where he looked solid, but he had a couple clunkers. He's coming off his best season in terms of completion % and he was still under 60%.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:42 pm to Wayne Campbell
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Well, Harris is a career 53.8% passer. Etling is only 56.6%. Much like the Lee/Jefferson arguments that still go on, the difference between the two isn't as substantial as some would make it out to be.
Well Etling's accuracy isnt what makes him a better qb. Its his pocket presence. Its his ability to trust his decisions.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:17 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Its his pocket presence. Its his ability to trust his decisions.
Harris has shown at times that he posses those qualities. He just has to be consistent, and that's really where I think the offensive play calling hindered him.
As I posted earlier, Etling in 2.5 games of Miles/Cameron completed 56% of his passes for about 144 ypg, including 6/14 against Jacksonville St. Post Miles/Cameron, he completed 61% for 211 ypg.
We haven't seen Harris outside a Miles/Cameron offense.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:14 pm to Wayne Campbell
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As I posted earlier, Etling in 2.5 games of Miles/Cameron completed 56% of his passes for about 144 ypg, including 6/14 against Jacksonville St. Post Miles/Cameron, he completed 61% for 211 ypg.
We haven't seen Harris outside a Miles/Cameron offense.
Etling went from backup practice reps to starter reps. Of course he got better. Harris doesnt have that excuse.
If jlee and jj can have productive years under miles then a far more physically gifted qb like Harris doesnt have that excuse.
Miles offensive philosophy hindered all our qbs since 2008.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:29 pm to lsupride87
I agree that the stats come out very similar for the two.
One thing that should be noted is BH's stats are boosted by his freshmen year partial play. Looking at his QB rating from 2015 (his only full year as the starter) his QB rating was 130.6. Compare that to Etling's 135.
I wonder if Harris would have done better or worse if he was the starter when Miles got fired. I guess we will never know, but i did find those stats interesting because even in my head i thought Etling was much much better than BH.
Trying to examine it objectively, I would guess that people (including myself) perceived Etling as the superior QB because that's when the offense, as a whole, improved.
When the play calling improved it naturally made us think the QB play grew leaps in bound, but that doesn't appear to be the case. It appears that we were fooled in to thinking that because the QB switch almost directly coincided with the change in HC/OC, and the coaching change seemed to have a much bigger impact on the offense than QB play.
Just thinking about all of this it has me so damn excited to get Canada. Creative offense AND QB development!
One thing that should be noted is BH's stats are boosted by his freshmen year partial play. Looking at his QB rating from 2015 (his only full year as the starter) his QB rating was 130.6. Compare that to Etling's 135.
I wonder if Harris would have done better or worse if he was the starter when Miles got fired. I guess we will never know, but i did find those stats interesting because even in my head i thought Etling was much much better than BH.
Trying to examine it objectively, I would guess that people (including myself) perceived Etling as the superior QB because that's when the offense, as a whole, improved.
When the play calling improved it naturally made us think the QB play grew leaps in bound, but that doesn't appear to be the case. It appears that we were fooled in to thinking that because the QB switch almost directly coincided with the change in HC/OC, and the coaching change seemed to have a much bigger impact on the offense than QB play.
Just thinking about all of this it has me so damn excited to get Canada. Creative offense AND QB development!
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Etling went from backup practice reps to starter reps. Of course he got better. Harris doesnt have that excuse.
If jlee and jj can have productive years under miles then a far more physically gifted qb like Harris doesnt have that excuse.
Miles offensive philosophy hindered all our qbs since 2008.
Im confused by this. You were disagreeing with most of this last night. I said most of this to you, and you were very adamant it was simply not true.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:42 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Well Etling's accuracy isnt what makes him a better qb. Its his pocket presence. Its his ability to trust his decisions.
Weren't you saying the opposite of this last night too? You were talking about how terrible his accuracy was and how it can't be coached.
I mentioned his football iq was the real issue, but you didn't seem to agree at the time.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:56 pm to Tiger Tracker
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I agree that the stats come out very similar for the two.
One thing that should be noted is BH's stats are boosted by his freshmen year partial play. Looking at his QB rating from 2015 (his only full year as the starter) his QB rating was 130.6. Compare that to Etling's 135.
I wonder if Harris would have done better or worse if he was the starter when Miles got fired. I guess we will never know, but i did find those stats interesting because even in my head i thought Etling was much much better than BH.
Trying to examine it objectively, I would guess that people (including myself) perceived Etling as the superior QB because that's when the offense, as a whole, improved.
When the play calling improved it naturally made us think the QB play grew leaps in bound, but that doesn't appear to be the case. It appears that we were fooled in to thinking that because the QB switch almost directly coincided with the change in HC/OC, and the coaching change seemed to have a much bigger impact on the offense than QB play.
Just thinking about all of this it has me so damn excited to get Canada. Creative offense AND QB development
I wish I could upvote 50x
Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:07 pm to Cjscore
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Whitey trying to keep the black man down
It's true that that is the only reason anyone would be critical of Johnny Jones. It's true, ask DarrellJames. Wait... That's not what this thread is about?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:13 pm to Tiger Tracker
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eren't you saying the opposite of this last night too? You were talking about how terrible his accuracy was and how it can't be coached.
Harris' accuracy is terrible and it cant be coached. That doesnt mean Etling has impeccable accuracy.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:15 pm to Tiger Tracker
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confused by this. You were disagreeing with most of this last night. I said most of this to you, and you were very adamant it was simply not true.
What? I have never said different from this. Ive always said that while our last scheme wasnt qb friendly, Harris's problems are things coaching cant correct. You were saying its all schematic and that just isn't true.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 4:16 pm
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