re: allright, you know it alls. why can't we develop qb's?

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Our scheme is tough on QBs not because of its complexity...it's because of it's simplicity. A more diverse passing attack which uses the entire field (yes, even the short middle) forces defenses to defend differently and gets our athletes in more positions to make plays. That is what is needed. That is what is missing.

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They called these type of plays with Mett. The coaches call the played that the players execute well during practice. If the team can't execute these short timing routes in practice the coaches aren't gonna run them in the game. Miles has proven that when he trusts the qb he will throw the ball a good bit. Flynn, Mett and the 2011 Combo Of Lee and JJ all threw the ball a decent amount ( at least top 5 in the sec in pass attempts)

I don't know how more plainly to say it.

Going back to JLee in 2008 thru 2011...he was much better in 2011....in other words he developed.

JJ from 2009 to 2011....much improved, he developed

Mett from 2012 to 2013...much, much improved...developed

Hell from 2014 to 2015, Harris, as bad as he looked in spurts had a better year than Jennings in 2014....QB play developed.

So in our LSU football world, every QB that has played for us has improved.

So is Etling ready to go, I don't know, it is kinda hard to have three QBs on roster all with the skills to compete and succeed in the SEC...but IF he plays for us, and IF he sticks around he will get better. The stats prove it out. The winning percentages prove it out.

IMO that is development. What do you call it?

Maybe slow, maybe below average but not static or declining performance.

I think Harris is the guy. He will improve.

People need to get off the 'we don't develop' QBs bandwagon. It is a non argument. But you can point out data till you are blue in the face, and the contingent that uses this argument will hear it and still start talking about it the next day.

Being a 2nd year QB, I believe Harris' 3rd year in the program is a fair point to determine how he's developed. In short, he isn't finished developing...

I think we'll be pleasantly surprised.

well, gee tigerfoot, I thought it was implied that we were talking meaningful improvement that would help the team.

I mean, I assume anyone who posts on the rant watches college gameday, sec now, the halftime shows, etc, where an endless array of former football players and paid analysts state that we don't develop qb's, at least to the point of having someone who can lead this team with accurate passing. this isn't just me talking off the top of my head.

you're right. harris is better than last year. and Jennings was better last year than the year before.

I agree with salviati, and you, that the more experience the qb has in your program the greater the likelihood it is he will be better.

and that begs the question - if you are confident this staff develops qb's, then how come we haven't had more juniors and seniors available?

are you saying then that the fault of the coaches is not recruiting enough qb's? I can accept this as a valid position if that's what you want to say. that's certainly part of the equation, but I wouldn't agree that's all there is to it.

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When we get an NFL caliber QB, it looks great. If not, it looks like shite. We aren't the only ones struggling with this though, even ole Jimbo is having a down year.

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It's funny isn't it? His best offenses are when he had an NFL qb. Just like Cam Cameron. Go figure.

it is because we are taking qbs that are not under center guys, they aren't pro style. yet we keep taking them for some stupid reason

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honestly think we got out of BH what would could expect of a first year starter in this offense. If BH could have executed the plays that are called, we would not be having these conversations. He just needs time to learn how to be a QB at this level.

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I really think and hope that his footwork played a big part in his inaccuracies on the short routes. Inexperienced qbs tend to get sloppy as the season progresses. I hope this is the case because their isn't much coaching for accuracy outside of small mechanic and footwork tweaks.

S made a good point earlier. We really do incorporate too many passing plays that are slow to develop. When they start bringing the house you can't expect Harris to get the ball off.

There are other things, too. One is that Fournette likes to get the ball on Harris's left side, and that's fine. I have no problem with that, but when Harris would fake the handoff I noticed it took him a long time to get turned around. Those are the types of things coaches should look at and want to correct.

Just look at Jacob Coker. Harris has more talent in his dirty underwear than Coker has in his entire body. Kiffin, love him or hate him, does a great job of making an offense go. He's great with WR's. He's great with QB's.

I am going to throw my support behind this staff for one more season, but if they can't do A LOT better next year, I won't have any expectations as long as Les is there.