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re: allright, you know it alls. why can't we develop qb's?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:49 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:49 pm to SabiDojo
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don't see how anyone can argue we aren't doing a great job at developing our quarterbacks.
Lee and Mett got better over their career and Harris has gotten better since last year.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:50 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Inexperienced qbs tend to get sloppy as the season progresses
If this is true I would have to say its all in the details...and the details should be handled by a qb coach
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Lee and Mett got better over their career and Harris has gotten better since last year.
I would say every senior is better than they were as a freshmen. You just don't see a difference in qb's that makes you say "man those guys have really been coached up"...at least I haven't seen it
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:57 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Lee and Mett got better over their career and Harris has gotten better since last year.
At this point, given the data we have now, you could argue Mett is an exception or an outlier. That argument can be supported by the fact he was a JUCO transfer (a highly touted one).
ETA: And Lee really had nowhere to go but up after his first run as LSU's QB.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:08 pm to Topwater Trout
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would say every senior is better than they were as a freshmen.
Who are these sec coaches that are making huge differences from year to year with their qbs? Because any you name has a worse qb resume than Cam. I truly think our problem is talent evaluation and putting squat pegs in a round hole but that's just my opinion.
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You just don't see a difference in qb's that makes you say "man those guys have really been coached up"...at least I haven't seen it
You didn't see a huge difference between 2012 Mett and 2013 Mett? He went from having Jennings type td/ int ratio to having one of the best seasons ever for a lsu qb.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:09 pm to Choctaw
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i have no idea
what any of this means
"phoning the czar" is a euphemism for what Pee Wee Herman got arrested for doing in a theatre.
thought you could figure it out in reference to your comment and Pee Wee.
right back at you, slick.
and there was really a lot of great discussion on this thread, btw. I appreciate getting all the guy's opinions.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:10 pm to SabiDojo
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That argument can be supported by the fact he was a JUCO transfer (a highly touted one).
But he had 2 years playing qb at lsu. Once Cam got here his play shot through the roof. I really think Cam can be a good qb coach if given time. It takes a couple years to get a dual threat qb playing at a high level in a prostyle offense. IMO we need to run more spread formations or just stop recruiting dual threat qbs. Who cares if they can pick up 1st downs with their legs if they struggle to do it with their arms. I have no doubt that Harris would be thriving in Auburn's offense.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:12 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I don't have a problem with dual threat because the name means they can do both. I think you're right in that we should incorporate more diverse formations.
You can still run the ball a bunch. Look at teams like FSU and Clemson. They run the ball. Jimbo loves to use a splitback formation out of the shotgun with athletic receiving TE's. Can you imagine how fricking awesome that would be with Fournette and Guice?!
You can still run the ball a bunch. Look at teams like FSU and Clemson. They run the ball. Jimbo loves to use a splitback formation out of the shotgun with athletic receiving TE's. Can you imagine how fricking awesome that would be with Fournette and Guice?!
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:13 pm to SabiDojo
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made a good point earlier. We really do incorporate too many passing plays that are slow to develop. When they start bringing the house you can't expect Harris to get the ball off.
I think this is because the coaches see that Harris struggles to make short timing throws. Harris doesn't trust himself to hit his back foot on a 3 step drop and fire it out. That's just what I think though. Surely the coaches see our oline isn't great in pass pro.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:20 pm to stephendomalley
quote:well by golly, if you would pay attention you would also see that with this improvement in QB statistics, you would also see an improvement in team winning percentage.
well, gee tigerfoot, I thought it was implied that we were talking meaningful improvement that would help the team.
quote:Namely because every freshman that comes to LSU wants to be competing for playing time.....where we have done a bad job is capturing the correct QBs in the ongoing carousel. Coker is at Bama is a prime example of bailing a team out of a QB issue.
and that begs the question - if you are confident this staff develops qb's, then how come we haven't had more juniors and seniors available?
Dak and Allen were projects that had steady improvement and were the class of the SEC this year.
Look at UF, they are in the same boat as us. It isn't uncommon for even powerhouse programs to have gaps in QB performance now that the QBs that you WANT to recruit are demanding early playing time with very little competition brought in....I think we should change how we recruit this position to get out of this pattern.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:24 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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You didn't see a huge difference between 2012 Mett and 2013 Mett? He went from having Jennings type td/ int ratio to having one of the best seasons ever for a lsu qb.
yeh and he also had other coaches his first few years of college...didn't even get playing time in 2011 knowing full well he would be our starter in 2012...that is part of the bad development don't you agree?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:25 pm to stephendomalley
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But how come every year for 4 years in a row is a down year around here,
Has anyone pointed to this gem yet? LSU fans and our revisionist history used to shite on our program.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:27 pm to stephendomalley
Tell me about the development:
Flynn - natty
Mettenberger - in the NFL
Lee - undefeated in the hardest regular season ever
Jefferson - got suspended
Jennings - got benched
Harris - couldn't learn playbook
Flynn - natty
Mettenberger - in the NFL
Lee - undefeated in the hardest regular season ever
Jefferson - got suspended
Jennings - got benched
Harris - couldn't learn playbook
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:31 pm to stephendomalley
Its a lot more about evaluation of talent. Harris has a strong arm but cant seem to make touch passes. Jennings is not that good. The ONE qb taken last year is somewhat of a project. No QB this year.
How can we ever expect to have an offense? The one productive year was with Mett who had the talent to make the throws and it was a great year passing. How can that happen with bad coaching? Its hard to develop a QB when he just isn't that talented. That's squarely on CC and CLM.
How can we ever expect to have an offense? The one productive year was with Mett who had the talent to make the throws and it was a great year passing. How can that happen with bad coaching? Its hard to develop a QB when he just isn't that talented. That's squarely on CC and CLM.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:35 pm to stephendomalley
hire uncle rico 
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:44 pm to KG5989
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We run a tough vertical passing attack that takes time for plays to develop and QBs to make tough throws, and we have very few if any "easy throws" for "easy yards". It's tough for a QB to get into a nice rhythm out there in that type of offense, especially considering we run the ball 65% of the time.
and we've had a first year QB 3 out of the last 4 years. I love the vertical passing game but it's like we need Kenny Stabler to play here. we need to realize these guys aren't pros yet and give them some plays to get 'em going.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:46 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:So why does LSU have a problem getting solid production from underclassmen at the QB position so much?
The biggest factor is underclassmen
Plenty of other schools don't have that same issue.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:47 pm to tigerfoot
quote:Ok, so rephrase the question. Why do our younger QBs struggle at the rate they do, while other schools seem to do a better job with younger QBs?
I assume by DEVELOP you mean improvement over time. Correct? SALVIATI has posted graphs till his fingers have bled showing consistent improvement in our QBs YOY in rating, completion percentage, and YPA. SO, now that that is cleared up.....will you and your ilk stop? And if you will not accept the data that says your position is wrong, why do you ask in the first place.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:48 pm to tigersaint24
Les' secret play book is two big. Run off tackle run upp the middle& on third pass with 3rd.&9. 
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:54 pm to shel311
The successful pre second year starter is kinda an albatross when looking at the highest ranked QBs in the Power 5
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