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re: allright, you know it alls. why can't we develop qb's?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:59 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:59 pm to dgnx6
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Because qbs transfer with the quickness across the country. And one thing I have been very critical on. You had no back up plan for Zach Lee. That was a huge mistake. It worked out with mett, but huge mistake imo.
And they did the same damn thing with Kiel and this year with Franks.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:07 pm to tigerfoot
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I think Harris is the guy. He will improve
No he won't. The problems he's having are not coachable. He's as good as he'll ever be.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:15 pm to stephendomalley
quote:If you are referring to Miles's time here, I'd put it on a combination of recruiting and scheme.
allright, you know it alls. why can't we develop qb's?
Les seems to embrace a pro-style approach, as compared to a spread or an option-run based offense. Came in and had Jamarcus 2 years, and allowed him to do enough to merit being the #1 pick in the draft. Ran a lot of 3 WR sets with him. Flynn followed and had a nice season (and we won the BCS).
Next season was supposed to finally be the Perilloux era, but that never happened. Unfortunately for us, it was tough to recruit a QB when you have a star in waiting, so suddenly we were stuck with scrubs and freshmen. Don't forget, in 2008 we started Hatch ahead of Lee, because Lee just totally didn't get the offense; and Hatch probably couldn't throw the ball 40 yds in the air. When Hatch got killed against Auburn, Les tried Lee until he set all sorts of pick 6 records, and then pulled the redshirt off Jefferson to finish the season.
We then couldn't find a QB to beat these guys out. Maybe the QB crops were weak, as Shepherd was supposed to be the top dual threat in the nation, and he never saw a snap at QB.
Recruiting- they aimed at Zach Lee, who went to MLB instead. They aimed at Gunner Kiel, who crawfished out of here, Indiana, Notre Dame, and landed at Cincy (it's interesting to note that his brother was a QB at Indiana but also left the team; maybe Les' "lack the chest" comments are a family issue).
Landed Mettenberger, who after sitting a year, started his junior year and looked lost a lot (you actually had time to say "good God, throw the ball away" out loud before he'd get sacked), before becoming great his senior year.
We now have Harris. As crazy as it sounds, Harris seemed to have more presence as a soph than Mett did as a junior. He COULD take the next step in his development next year.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:21 pm to Topwater Trout
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yeh and he also had other coaches his first few years of colleg
He was on UGA'S campus for about 6 months and surely you don't think his coaching cane from Juco.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:27 pm to shel311
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Why do our younger QBs struggle at the rate they do, while other schools seem to do a better job with younger QBs?
Who are all these young college qbs that excelling at a pro style offense?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:30 pm to bencoleman
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The problems he's having are not coachable. He's as good as he'll ever be.
Na. The game can slow down for him and he can learn to trust his decision making. His work in the pocket can get better which will help with his footwork and mechanics which will help his accuracy. While he won't ever be extremely accurate his experience can make him more efficient.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:33 pm to bencoleman
What mistakes is he making that can't be corrected?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:45 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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the fact that there just aren't that many good QBs to go around.
Western Kentucky didn't seem to have any issues finding a quality QB. What was that guy rated? 3-star? Yes, there are HRs out there, but evaluating/getting a "diamond in the rough" is what we cannot seem to do.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:55 pm to stephendomalley
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f we could pitch and catch on the plays that were called, our offense would be pretty damn good.
So you're suggesting Alex Lange play quarterback?
Can't hurt to try it....
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:09 pm to tigerfoot
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JJ from 2009 to 2011....much improved, he developed
As I recall it JJ's sophomore year was his best one. I don't feel like digging up the stats, but he definitely seemed to regress in his time here.
I would say this is a bad example that doesn't really make your point (although I somewhat agree with the broader point you're trying to make).
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:14 pm to mikedatyger
quote:Maybe he doesn't look quite so good in SEC?
Western Kentucky didn't seem to have any issues finding a quality QB. What was that guy rated? 3-star?
5.3ypp vs LSU, and 7ypp vs Vandy, or maybe he would with SEC OL?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:27 pm to GeauxToBed
His highest QB rating, best TD:int ratio and ypa were in his Sr year
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:38 pm to stephendomalley
One hyphened word - dual-threat!
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:41 pm to tigerfoot
I believe that the development you refer to in metrics is built, as are team wins, versus teams with significantly less talent. Let's see the metrics that show the vast improvement year over year against similar or better talent. The eye test I believe that all of us can concur in is that qb play was better this year against the WKU and EM. Better against UA? Ole Miss?... I don't see it in "effective" qb play...
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:50 pm to jcc4009
We threw it for 325 against Ole Miss we killed UF.
shite everyone was saying we didn't throw it at all against EMU, Syracuse, WKU.
shite everyone was saying we didn't throw it at all against EMU, Syracuse, WKU.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
How about true freshman Lamar Jackson at Louisville vs ky? How about deshaun watson at clemson?Ohio state with its success with young qbs...hell I will take the talent of KYs first two qbs on talent and development than our first two
Posted on 12/2/15 at 7:19 pm to jcc4009
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true freshman Lamar Jackson at Louisville vs ky?
He completed 38% of his passes in that game
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How about deshaun watson at clemson?
Holy outlier, Batman!
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Ohio state with its success with young qbs..
QB Rating against FBS teams with a winning record in 2015:
117.23 - Cardale Jones
123.73 - J.T. Barrett
125.18 - Brandon Harris
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:23 pm to jcc4009
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How about true freshman Lamar Jackson at Louisville vs ky? How about deshaun watson at clemson?Ohio state with its success with young qbs...hell I will take the talent of KYs first two qbs on talent and development than our first two
You're proving my point. 3 players are the outliers.
I'm sure its easier for young qbs to thrive in bad conferences.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:47 pm to Rickdaddy4188
What does that mean? That is absurd.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:53 pm to White Tiger
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What does that mean? That is absurd.
What's absurd? That it's easier for young qbs to thrive in a conf with less defensive talent? That's common sense.
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