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re: Why was the Dreamcast not successful?
Posted on 2/23/15 at 4:06 pm to genro
Posted on 2/23/15 at 4:06 pm to genro
Those were also the earlier days when they could be revolutionary. I don't want to say we have done it all now but obviously the drastic leaps are slowing down. You could also change the industry with a game like doom built by a small team.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 4:11 pm to genro
quote:Sometimes. Games now days hold our hands far too much while games back then often told you nothing at best or inadvertently mislead you due to poor translations at worst.
And you worked at it because you loved it and the challenge was fair.
quote:I think the unfortunate downside to the growth of the video game industry is that games have to appeal to a wider audience than they ever did in the past. Often the more mainstream you make something, the less interesting it becomes because it needs to serve so many different masters.
They just don't make games like that anymore because they don't have to.
This is one reason why I keep an eye on the indie space. Interesting things outside the norm are more common there. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy a big AAA game at times, but those titles typically use well established gameplay mechanics. You won't find much deviation outside of whatever genre the game is supposed to fit.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 4:20 pm to DieDaily
A lot of companies seemed to notice that the secrets were a cool social aspect of Legend of Zelda (and even the Mario games too). What they failed to notice was the great controls and fantastic gameplay to go along with it and made a bunch of games that are totally impossible in the pre-internet era, and just a chore in the online guide era. Yeah, I admit it.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:13 pm to DieDaily
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Games now days hold our hands far too much while games back then often told you nothing at best
Back then, I you were lost without a strategy guide............oh well, figure the shite out or you have to stop playing .
Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:17 pm to CBandits82
Nintendo had impossible puzzles so they opened a paid hotline to help you figure it out But people bitch about companies trying to bleed them now
Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:20 pm to Mr Gardoki
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Nintendo had impossible puzzles so they opened a paid hotline to help you figure it ou
I had to hit up the hotline for Legend of Zelda to find Death Mountain and enter the last dungeon
Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:21 pm to CBandits82
This is why dark souls 1 is so popular btw.
You basically just get dropped in a world with zero direction. It's great.
I used a strategy guide/walkthru. The game was designed with the internet in mind so that's part of the reason the secrets are so hidden and it's hard.
You basically just get dropped in a world with zero direction. It's great.
I used a strategy guide/walkthru. The game was designed with the internet in mind so that's part of the reason the secrets are so hidden and it's hard.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:29 pm to CBandits82
Zelda and Metroid I could just play and play and play. Get a hint here or there from friends or my older brothers but mostly just have fun playing until you figure it out. Get super excited and even brag when you find something. It's an extremely difficult balance to pull off for the game designers. But a game like Ultima: Exodus? frick that game. What the frick do i do. I went back and beat it with a guide as an adult just to get closure and it is more tedious and incomprehensible than you can imagine. No one could ever possibly guess these things or stumble upon them
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:34 pm to genro
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Metroid
This is one that I missed when I was younger. I got it on 3DS last summer and it was fun, I can see what it was so popular. The thing I don't miss though? Writing down codes for games instead of saves Thank god we moved past that.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:43 pm to Mr Gardoki
Metroid and the Mega Man games were the only passwords I ever wrote down. Maybe I was lazy or maybe I just accepted that for a regular linear platformer you do it one sitting. Playing through the early stages was like a primer, idk. I didn't play a lot of other non-linear NES adventure games
What sucked for me was the seemingly (or actually) endless arcade-style games we had - Mario Bros, Donkey Kong, Dig Dug, Duck Hunt. The entire point is a high score, and they didn't save high scores
What sucked for me was the seemingly (or actually) endless arcade-style games we had - Mario Bros, Donkey Kong, Dig Dug, Duck Hunt. The entire point is a high score, and they didn't save high scores
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 8:11 am to GalvoAg
The Dreamcast actually sold well. The Saturn is the console no one owned.
I think if Sega included a DVD player with the Dreamcast, their fortunes would be much different.
I think if Sega included a DVD player with the Dreamcast, their fortunes would be much different.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 8:46 am to BulldogXero
quote:It sold better, but not that much better.
The Dreamcast actually sold well. The Saturn is the console no one owned.
Saturn: 9.5 million units
Dreamcast: 10.6 million units
Posted on 2/24/15 at 8:58 am to Mr Gardoki
i had 2 ps2. i actually didn't get an xbox until 360 was out. even then it was only to hack it and put emulators on it
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:00 am to Mr Gardoki
quote:True.
Dat ps2
It's also weird for me to look at this. I consider the NES a bigger cultural touchstone than the PS2, but when you look at the raw sales numbers it's hard justify that stance.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:05 am to DieDaily
NES was but the industry hadn't grown yet.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:18 am to GalvoAg
After the great 9/9/99 launch, everyone focused on the PS2. There was also a rift between SoA and SoJ going back to the early Saturn days.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:23 am to DieDaily
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It's also weird for me to look at this. I consider the NES a bigger cultural touchstone than the PS2, but when you look at the raw sales numbers it's hard justify that stance.
No its not, the impact of the NES was massive and historic.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 9:57 am to CBandits82
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It sold better, but not that much better
To be fair, the Saturn had a longer lifespan. Dreamcast moved a lot of units early on but wasn't on the market long enough before the impending launch of the ps2.
Posted on 2/24/15 at 11:03 am to CBandits82
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No its not, the impact of the NES was massive and historic.
Truth! I don't know where I'd be gaming-wise, if it weren't for this system (I'm still old-school though, nothing newer than a PS2). Those sure were the days
I remember times in Elementary school, that this was just about all we talked about. We couldn't WAIT to get home and play more. There were all of the SMB secrets like minus world and getting a "hundred men" and finally beating the arcade version down the street. The Legend of Zelda, BOTH quests (I remember being the first one to beat the 2nd quest...if you recall, it was just like the first one, but everything was moved around). And DAMN were there a lot of things to find in Metroid...
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