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re: How Low Could Asik Go?
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:03 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:03 pm to TigerinATL
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Same Tier as Asik:
Omer Asik
Thanks for pointing that out.
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:14 pm to Epic Cajun
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Arn Tellem is no longer an agent.
Article I read said that he would be around for the opening of free agency and that he was not transitioning to the Detroit FO job until August.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:15 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Crazy how most of you were willing to give him $13 million a few months ago
corndeaux is really the only one that's felt $12-$13 was his market value. I'd say the most frequently tossed around figure was 4/$40 declining. I did say I'd be happy paying him $13ish, but that was on a one year overpay.
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now the consensus is $8-10
Look at the Zach Lowe article. The playoffs will likely have a negative impact on the market value of defense only centers. You probably need them to get you to the Finals, but for at least one or 2 rounds they will be pretty useless.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:03 pm to TigerinATL
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corndeaux is really the only one that's felt $12-$13 was his market value
I believe that was more towards the beginning of the season; could be as wrong though about the timing as I was about his price. I've come down throughout the length of the season. In this thread (I think) I said he's probably in the $8-$10M range at this point. I wouldn't be upset if they end up in the $10-$12 range either.
And it wouldn't shock me if a team overpaid for a big. It has happened almost every single year. Size comes at a premium. Asik and other bigs may get run off the floor in postseason matchups, but there are 82 other games first. Protecting Davis from November-April is quite valuable. And, as you've repaeated ad nauseam, there is not a particularly clear/easy way to get someone who can be as good as, if not better than, Asik on this team at the moment.
ETA: It's just sort of ridiculous, to me, for people to want to talk about getting better on defense and then be unwilling to pay for a very good defender. A guy whose play after the ASB helped propel the Pels into the playoffs. His offense sucks. It's a problem come playoff time. That just means they need to do more building up the roster to make adjustments in the spring.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:07 pm to corndeaux
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I believe that was more towards the beginning of the season;
It probably was, wasn't trying to single you out, just pointing out he was very wrong about it being a majority board opinion.
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Protecting Davis from November-April is quite valuable.
It is, and if it weren't for the fact that it could disrupt the potential for making a run at someone like KD, I'd be very tempted to lock him in for 3-4 years if he's coming cheap. But presumably his agent will advise him to take a short deal if all he's getting are low ball offers. The escalated cap and fewer starting centers on the market next season should be more favorable to him.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:12 pm to TigerinATL
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The escalated cap and fewer starting centers on the market next season should be more favorable to him.
I do wonder if his injury history and being 30 by next summer will change his thinking. Listening to the Lowe/Stein pod right now. They think a lot of guys will not be doing the 1+1 contract, but rather 2+1 or 3+1. It's a ballsy move, especially for a non star player like Asik.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:13 pm to TigerinATL
FYI: In June of 2016, if KD indicates that he will meet with the Pels, we will need a Durant Board.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:16 pm to TigerinATL
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corndeaux is really the only one that's felt $12-$13 was his market value.
I"m talking months ago, not weeks ago.
Not to start a pissing war, but you were the most ardent of supporters of the $8-10 today is the new $12-13 now if I remember correctly.
I understand our situation and the only way we don't keep him is in a sign and trade, which seems unlikely since most teams don't have a need for a guy like Asik, and the few that do, don't have anything to give us in return.
I do agree we need a guy to help us in the regualr season to protect AD, but AD is our 5 when it comes to the playoffs and whoever our C is will play limited minutes come playoff time.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
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AD is our 5 when it comes to the playoffs and whoever our C is will play limited minutes come playoff time.
Which is fine. San Antonio does that. The Warriors do that. The Thunder were at their best with Ibaka at the 5 (RIP Scott Brooks's rotations)
The problem for the Pels is they don't have the same flexibility, at the moment, to go small ball effectively like those teams. I would have loved more flyers on wings the past few years instead of guys like Jimmer, Roberts, etc. And, of course, that it didn't happen doesn't mean they didn't try.
But maybe they can get by with Anderson/Davis, insane offense, and sound team defense. The Warriors held the Cavs in check with no real rim protectors on the floor.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:45 pm to corndeaux
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The Warriors held the Cavs in check with no real rim protectors on the floor.
The cavs second best player was a bench player at best on every team in the nba.
let's not compare anything that the Warriors did defensively against the iso offense of Lebron for every game b/c he had absolutely no help from his team mates.
That being said, if we can get some competent SF play, we'd be better at small ball. Our best players are Jrue, EG, Cole, Reke, AD, but they are too small.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:53 pm to TeddyPadillac
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let's not compare anything that the Warriors did defensively against the iso offense of Lebron for every game b/c he had absolutely no help from his team mates.
Eh. The Warriors snuffed out the Cavs when they did try to diversify. Some of that is a lack of personnel in Cleveland. Some of it is their defense. You seem to be discounting just how great the Green at the 5 lineups were throughout the year.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:26 pm to corndeaux
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You seem to be discounting just how great the Green at the 5 lineups were throughout the year.
I"m not. I'm just dissappointed the Cavs outside of LEbron were so terrible in the series.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I"m talking months ago, not weeks ago.
Man that seems like a long time ago
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you were the most ardent of supporters of the $8-10 today is the new $12-13 now if I remember correctly.
$8 million plus 40% = $11.2 million. I do think $10-$12 was many people's earlier expectations, I just didn't recall many saying $13. And I've been talking about the supply gut just as long as the cap inflation with regards to Asik so I always expected closer to $10 than $12.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 6:30 pm to TigerinATL
I hear ya.
i'm sure i'm exaggerating it a bit.
i'm sure i'm exaggerating it a bit.
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