re: Ring Magazine ranking of best boxers since World War II

Posted by TigerintheNO

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 10:31 am to Jamohn

Here is the list from 2002 by Ring magazine- (from the last 80 years)

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes
28. Mickey Walker
29. Ruben Olivares
30. Gene Tunney
31. Dick Tiger
32. Fighting Harada
33. Emile Griffith
34. Tony Canzoneri
35. Aaron Pryor
36. Pascual Perez
37. Miguel Canto
38. Manuel Ortiz
39. Charley Burley
40. Carmen Basilio
41. Michael Spinks
42. Joe Frazier
43. Khaosai Galaxy
44. Roy Jones Jr.
45. Tiger Flowers
46. Panama Al Brown
47. Kid Chocolate
48. Joe Brown
49. Tommy Loughran
50. Bernard Hopkins

Others of note-
#51. Felix Trinidad
#52. Jake LaMotta
#53 Lennox Lewis
#67 Tommy Hears
#71 Sonny Liston
#72 Mike Tyson
#75 Oscar De La Hoya

This post was edited on 4/24/15 at 10:42 am

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Posted by Jamohn

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 10:36 am to TigerintheNO

quote:
Here is the list from 2002 by Ring magazine-

caveat there is that it was the greatest boxers of the last 80 years, meaning it leaves off Jack Johnson, Jim Jeffries, Stanley Ketchel, Joe Jeanette, Sam Langford, etc.

Posted by TigerintheNO

New Orleans

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 10:37 am to Jamohn

quote:
Ezzard Charles always seems to be a darling of the analysts and expert historians. I just don't regard him quite as highly as these lists tend to do.

Only man that lasted 15 rounds against Rocky

Posted by RummelTiger

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 10:39 am to Bench McElroy

Huh?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson - 396 - (17)
2. Henry Armstrong - 339 - (1)
3. Muhammad Ali - 324 - (1)
4. Roberto Duran - 296
5. Joe Louis - 293
6. Ray Leonard - 258
7. Willie Pep - 246 - (1)
8. Archie Moore - 189
9. Julio Cesar Chavez - 171
10. Ezzard Charles - 164
11. Pernell Whitaker - 132
12. Floyd Mayweather Jr - 118
13. Marvin Hagler - 117
14. Carlos Monzon - 98
15. Eder Jofre - 86
16. Sandy Saddler - 82
17. Roy Jones Jr - 80
18. Rocky Marciano - 77
19. Bernard Hopkins - 66
20. Ike Williams - 55
21. Charley Burley - 54
22. Evander Holyfield - 42
23. George Foreman - 41
24. Billy Conn - 39
25t. Manny Pacquiao - 36
25t. Larry Holmes - 36
27. Kid Gavilian - 28
27. Salvador Sanchez - 28
29. Emile Griffith - 27
29. Jose Napoles - 27
29. Holman Williams - 27
32. Mike Tyson - 26
33. Joe Frazier - 22
34. Alexis Arguello - 20
34. Marcel Cerdan - 20
34. Carlos Ortiz - 20
37. Ricardo Lopez - 19
38. Jake Lamotta - 17
38. Ruben Olivares - 17
40. Pascual Perez - 12

Posted by TigerintheNO

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 10:42 am to Jamohn

quote:
caveat there is that it was the greatest boxers of the last 80 years, meaning it leaves off Jack Johnson, Jim Jeffries, Stanley Ketchel, Joe Jeanette, Sam Langford, etc.

correct, just edited to point that out, they would knock Tyson out of the top 75

Posted by Jamohn

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 10:55 am to TigerintheNO

quote:
Only man that lasted 15 rounds against Rocky

And yet he's always ranked well ahead of Rocky. My point is he obviously doesn't suck, but I'm never quite sure why he's always ranked SO highly. Like top 5-10 heavyweight and GOAT light-heavyweight high.

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Posted by Marciano1

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 11:09 am to Bench McElroy

Ricardo Lopez is waaaayyyy too low

Posted by Marciano1

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 11:10 am to Marciano1

And where is De La Hoya????? You can't have Roy Jones on the list and NOT have Oscar.

Posted by lsutigers1992

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 11:29 am to slackster

quote:
Fair enough, but even if you criticize him for his competition, he disposed of them the way no boxer did before and no boxer will do again.

His competition before he won the crown was worse than TCU and Baylor's out of conference football schedule this year.

It's like being impressed because Oregon scored 60 on Nicholls State.

Posted by TigerintheNO

New Orleans

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 11:41 am to Jamohn

He shouldn't be ranked ahead of Marciano, since Rocky never lost and beat Charles twice. I was actually surprised when I saw that on the OP list, usually I see list that have Charles right behind Marciano. I would have Charles in the top ten heavyweights

Posted by TTownTiger

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 11:44 am to TigerintheNO

quote:
Holyfield had over 15 fights against boxers who won the Heavyweight title, none of them knocked him out.

quote:
Riddick Bowe X3

Bowe stopped him in their third fight. Round 8, I believe.

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Posted by dallastiger55

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 12:04 pm to TigerintheNO

Tyson at 32 discredits the list right there

Dude in his prime had the nastiest punch ever. I've heard plenty of experts say they'd put him against anyone in history.

Not saying he's top 3 but top 5-7 for sure

Posted by tiderider

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 12:05 pm to TTownTiger

ray leonard seems kind of high ... great fighter, but he has 2 questionable nonlosses on his resume ...

Posted by sms151t

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 12:11 pm to Bench McElroy

Just my opinion:

Leonard, Mayweather, Tyson, Foreman are ranked too high

Holmes and Whitaker ranked too low.

The biggest crime is that Aaron Pryor nor Thomas Hearns is ranked. As both in my opinion, were better fighters than Sanchez and Olivares.

Posted by TigerintheNO

New Orleans

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 12:20 pm to TTownTiger

I think you are right, I forgot about that fight since neither had the belt at the time

Posted by Jamohn

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 12:21 pm to dallastiger55

quote:
Tyson

quote:
top 5-7 for sure

No.

Look--Tyson was awesome to watch. I grew up on Tyson. He had the perfect style to decimate lesser fighters in the most entertaining way possible. Doesn't mean he dominated his opponents any more thoroughly than Mayweather has with perfect defense and dizzying counters. The domination just looks different. Tyson's is more aesthetically pleasing. But as an overall fighter he was severely limited when tested by quality competition. And as any boxing fan will tell you, the mental aspect is HUGE. And Tyson was a complete mental midget in the ring.

If you're outraged about Tyson's ranking, you should be even more outraged about Sonny Liston not being on the list, because Liston was basically a late 50's/early 60's version of Tyson. I think it's wrong that Liston is not on the list but I think Tyson is fairly ranked.

Posted by sms151t

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Posted on 4/24/15 at 12:24 pm to Jamohn

Although not deserving on this particular list. But one that needs to given credit, as he is often overlooked. Michael Carbajal. Carbajal was a warrior and had great skills and could adapt. He just seems in my opinion to get lost. His story also is a fantastic one.