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re: Is Vladimir Klitchko the greatest Heavyweight of all time?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:58 pm to sms151t
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:58 pm to sms151t
Dude. Holmes at 42 or 43 whipped a damn good merciless Ray mercer then gave Holyfield all he could handle and Larry had a detached retina before that fight and didn't back out. The Easton assassin will always be my favorite!!!! " ain't no stoppin us now, we on the move". Great entrance music by McFadden and whitehead.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:00 pm to Fat Bastard
Holmes at 52 beat butterbeans arse. Lol.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:02 pm to Fat Bastard
I'm a huge Holmes fan I don't get where you are thinking I'm saying anything bad about him.
But the Bay St Louis Holmes was a clown he had to be to get back into the conversation.
But the Bay St Louis Holmes was a clown he had to be to get back into the conversation.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:04 pm to sms151t
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Holmes left jab would have never let Klitchko's right go, especially the prime Holmes not the clown Holmes of Casino Magic.
Once again...
When everyone was getting destroyed by Tyson in Round 1 and didn't want to fight him.
182 year old Holmes came out of retirement for a paycheck and took Tyson to 4 round TKO...(and not because Tyson destroyed Holmes or really knocked him out but Holmes was simply old, fat and went down 3 times in a round with wobbly legs.)
Larry Holmes would be a nightmare for the Russians.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:07 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:You say this, and then the very next sentence you're talking about Tyson. Hilarious. As if Tyson's competition was any more difficult that today's. . .
the competition now is nothing compared to the past
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:10 pm to Zamoro10
The Tyson Holmes fight was the Ali Holmes fight 10 years later except Holmes went out like a real champ and wanted to win.
Again what Holmes did to Ali, Cobb, and Ocassio was criminal
I truly believe the Cobb fight took away the edge from Holmes. I believe he thought he really hurt the man for life. In the 8th on you could see him begging the ref and Cobbs corner to stop the fight.
Again what Holmes did to Ali, Cobb, and Ocassio was criminal
I truly believe the Cobb fight took away the edge from Holmes. I believe he thought he really hurt the man for life. In the 8th on you could see him begging the ref and Cobbs corner to stop the fight.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 3:33 pm to Zamoro10
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Larry Holmes would be a nightmare for the Russians.
Larry Holmes has the GOAT jab but you can't beat a taller boxer who also has great jab by out jabbing him
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:26 pm to dukke v
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You have something against Tyson???????
Nope. I liked watching him fight...he brought entertainment with his fighting style and in his interviews.
However, facts are facts. The competition during his run was pretty weak.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:27 pm to Fat Bastard
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Dude. Holmes at 42 or 43 whipped a damn good merciless Ray mercer then gave Holyfield all he could handle and Larry had a detached retina before that fight and didn't back out
Holmes was an active fighter by then. He was old, but still active.
When Tyson fought him Holmes was retired and out of the ring almost two years. It makes a difference.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 4:34 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Larry Holmes has the GOAT jab but you can't beat a taller boxer who also has great jab by out jabbing him
You might be right...but Holmes had that snap!
Anyways...I've watched a lot of boxing the last 20 years...and really Tyson's return and then the K Bros.
I'm not a techical guy on boxing and they might have great reach and skill...
But frick...I watch them and think...if the HW division was cared about like it was in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's - in America...these guys would be dead meat.
Plodding ogres, pr. bride...anybody want a Peanut?
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 11/23/14 at 5:00 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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I think both the Klitschko's beat Ali. Ali didn't block jabs.
What? The guys who lost to Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster and Ross Puritty, Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 5:03 pm to Marciano1
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However, facts are facts. The competition during his run was pretty weak.
Exactly. He made his name beating nobodies. He'd have been beaten by Ali, Frazier, Foreman, prime Holmes, and probably at least one of the Klitschko's(neither of whom could beat the guys earlier on this list).
Posted on 11/23/14 at 5:23 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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I think both the Klitschko's beat Ali. Ali didn't block jabs.
You are almost correct. Ali did not block jabs he was fast enought to just move his head out of the way.
This is when Ali was 35
I am far from an Ali fan but he would have no trouble moving from a jab as long as Klitchko and counter....with power.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 6:30 pm to Jake88
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What? The guys who lost to Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster and Ross Puritty, Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis?
Of those guys the only one to really beat the Klitschko is Sanders vs Wlad.
Wlad gassed/poisoned vs Brewster and Purity, in both fights he was basically out on his feet before getting it. The Brewster fight is especially bizarre because Wlad wasn't even exerting a ton of energy going for the finish and then out of thin air could barely stay on his feet.
Vitali was pretty much shutting out Byrd until he got injured(I believe a torn rotator cuff).
Vitali was also ahead on the cards 4-2 vs Lennox in what was a slugfest. Logic tells you who would of won that fight if not for the cut. The iron chinned Vitali(only heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to have never been knocked down) or Lennox who was known for having suspect chin.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 7:33 pm to Marciano1
Because Chambers and Hayes were blown up cruiserweights. They are robotic when they fight and can't in fight to save their life. No way in hell they are the greatest. Not even close. The Klit brothers are descent fighters but really their level of competition is garbage.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:04 pm to suavecito80
That's not really their fault however.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:10 pm to suavecito80
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Because Chambers and Hayes were blown up cruiserweights
Yeah but they were still very fast handed and couldn't come close to getting through the jab of Vitali/Wlad. I was responding to the speed factor when it comes to getting through a jab. It doesn't work against the Klitschko brothers.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:17 pm to Marciano1
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However, facts are facts. The competition during his run was pretty weak.
I would love to see Frazier vs. Tyson both in prime... What a battle that would be...........
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:21 pm to Marciano1
Both of them combined are not explosive as Tyson was. He would Bob and weave and throw a four power punch combination. The brothers have not fought anybody close to that.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 8:51 pm to suavecito80
frick these Russian guys...
Best ever?
This is like saying Alabama is the national champ during the 1960's while ducking all the teams with black fricking players!!!!!!!
And there's people like Bubba Smith, Gene Washington, OJ, Sam Bam Cunningham, Sherman Lewis are saying, excuse me?
You fought against lame arse white shite. Just like in football. Congrats. You can beat slow white people.
"All the Southern players, we were outcasts from our own states," said former Michigan State wide receiver Gene Washington...all of the states where we were from, they would not take black athletes. So we went North...and the Big 10 and Pac-10 dominated."
"If they could have played down South, they would have probably stayed down there," said Hank Bullough, an assistant under Daugherty from 1959 to 1969. "But they couldn't. It was a new place to go."
So (just like in CFB) you can't be the best if you played, fought or rolled around with the second-class athletes...(white middle class boys) for an afternoon.
The black American athlete is no longer going into boxing...and therefore the best is no longer going into boxing.
I use my analogy because it feels like the K bros are champions of some segregated society and only they are privy to participate.
Best ever?
This is like saying Alabama is the national champ during the 1960's while ducking all the teams with black fricking players!!!!!!!
And there's people like Bubba Smith, Gene Washington, OJ, Sam Bam Cunningham, Sherman Lewis are saying, excuse me?
You fought against lame arse white shite. Just like in football. Congrats. You can beat slow white people.
"All the Southern players, we were outcasts from our own states," said former Michigan State wide receiver Gene Washington...all of the states where we were from, they would not take black athletes. So we went North...and the Big 10 and Pac-10 dominated."
"If they could have played down South, they would have probably stayed down there," said Hank Bullough, an assistant under Daugherty from 1959 to 1969. "But they couldn't. It was a new place to go."
So (just like in CFB) you can't be the best if you played, fought or rolled around with the second-class athletes...(white middle class boys) for an afternoon.
The black American athlete is no longer going into boxing...and therefore the best is no longer going into boxing.
I use my analogy because it feels like the K bros are champions of some segregated society and only they are privy to participate.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 8:52 pm
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