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re: The Oregonian girl who was going to commit suicide because of her illness...
Posted on 11/3/14 at 6:44 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 11/3/14 at 6:44 am to RollTide1987
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Committing murder is a mortal sin
Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as a mortal sin. The Catechism is a set of man-made rules and interpretations that form the basis of Catholicism, but have no meaning to those who aren't Catholic.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 6:45 am to CaptainsWafer
She shouldn't be ridiculed but she shouldn't be praised as a saint either
Posted on 11/3/14 at 6:52 am to RollTide1987
Yeah you're trolling. Nobody should believe that nonsense.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:18 am to Buck Magnum
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There is no dignity in the way she died. The way she did it is her prerogative but I personally do not agree with it. I've worked closely with people who have cancer and who have died with cancer. They fought like hell and every one of them knew the consequences of their disease. Does the end result suck? Yes it does but there is beauty in the fight.
This exactly. Death, like life, is not just about you. It's a process for everyone that loves you. "Abbreviating the process" is inherently selfish. What she did, she did out of fear and despair. It was not a selfless, brave, dignified act. And worse, she made a mockery of herself, her family, and her final days by doing it so publicly. If that is a choice you want to make, then so be it. But don't position yourself as a martyr for a cause or advocate for others.to be allowed to do the same. As far as the religion aspect, that's between her and God.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:21 am to drunkenpunkin
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What she did, she did out of fear and despair.
Pretty crazy how you know what was going through Her head and motivated her. Did the lord give you that power?
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:24 am to Rickety Cricket
Suicide is not the action of someone in a rational state of mind. It's apparent why she wasn't in a rational state of mind, but that doesn't negate that it wasn't a rational act.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:30 am to drunkenpunkin
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It's a process for everyone that loves you. "Abbreviating the process" is inherently selfish.
She went through the "process" with those she loved. How long or what that was is her and her families business.
What she abbreviated was the end stages of the disease. Pain, loss of cognition, becoming a bedridden burden and agony for her loved ones. Round the clock nursing and hospice care. Bedsores, shitting and pissing self, urosepsis and trips to and from hospital. MRSA to bedsores and sepsis and trips to hospital. Her family was so deprived.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:32 am to drunkenpunkin
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This exactly. Death, like life, is not just about you. It's a process for everyone that loves you. "Abbreviating the process" is inherently selfish. What she did, she did out of fear and despair. It was not a selfless, brave, dignified act. And worse, she made a mockery of herself, her family, and her final days by doing it so publicly. If that is a choice you want to make, then so be it. But don't position yourself as a martyr for a cause or advocate for others.to be allowed to do the same. As far as the religion aspect, that's between her and God.
Why can't people fight for what they want politically? She didn't get to stay close to home because of laws in her home state. She wants that changed and I see no problem with her doing it publically to cause this discussion and try to bring change for others in her situation. It's as good of topic as any for public debate.
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 7:32 am
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:32 am to drunkenpunkin
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Suicide is not the action of someone in a rational state of mind. It's apparent why she wasn't in a rational state of mind, but that doesn't negate that it wasn't a rational act.
No, some of the idiocy spewed in this thread is not the action of someone in a rational state of mind. Understanding what the progression of your disease is, knowing the terrible suffering ahead for EVERYONE involved and planning out your final days and the end with your family to avoid that terrible outcome for everyone is VERY fricking rational.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:33 am to drunkenpunkin
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Death, like life, is not just about you.
This is where I stop with you. The woman didn't go into her house and put a shotgun in her mouth only to let her husband find her brains on the kitchen counter when he returns from work.
She included the people who mattered to her and made a decision that was best for her.
frick all the it's about more than you nonsense. Bitch my life is about me. If there's something I don't like about it I'm going to change that aspect with the swiftness regardless of how my loved ones feel about it.
I'm going to play the cards I've been dealt the best way I can and I expect everyone else to do the same.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:33 am to TigerstuckinMS
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Understanding what the progression of your disease is, knowing the terrible suffering ahead for EVERYONE involved and planning out your final days and the end with your family to avoid that terrible outcome for everyone is VERY fricking rational.
Not to mention being aware enough to not want to put your family in a financial strain to fight a losing battle.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:34 am to drunkenpunkin
I wish Lauren Hill's story was 18 pages. We can all learn from her. She is truly dying with dignity. Steve Gleason is dying with dignity.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:36 am to Dam Guide
I didn't say they can't. It's absolutely everyone's right. I just find it completely distasteful to use your last days to advocate for suicide. This whole thread has made me lose even more faith in humanity.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:43 am to drunkenpunkin
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last days to advocate for suicide.
If it's her last days who cares? If you follow this path of logic I guess you can question all DNR and advanced directives. If you don't submit yourself to all modern medicine has to offer you are killing yourself.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:45 am to LSU alum wannabe
You're an idiot if you think suicide is the same as a DNR.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:49 am to drunkenpunkin
I do not. Your line of reasoning connects those dots.
Terminal and hopeless is terminal and hopeless. How much pre unavoidable death suffering must someone endure before they are worthy of letting go?
Terminal and hopeless is terminal and hopeless. How much pre unavoidable death suffering must someone endure before they are worthy of letting go?
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:54 am to drunkenpunkin
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didn't say they can't. It's absolutely everyone's right. I just find it completely distasteful to use your last days to advocate for suicide. This whole thread has made me lose even more faith in humanity.
I don't find it distasteful at all and she wasn't just doing it in her last days. She has been advocating for it for months. People just started listening to her right before she did it.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:55 am to drunkenpunkin
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This exactly. Death, like life, is not just about you. It's a process for everyone that loves you. "Abbreviating the process" is inherently selfish. What she did, she did out of fear and despair. It was not a selfless, brave, dignified act. And worse, she made a mockery of herself, her family, and her final days by doing it so publicly. If that is a choice you want to make, then so be it. But don't position yourself as a martyr for a cause or advocate for others.to be allowed to do the same. As far as the religion aspect, that's between her and God.
Dude I explained it to you last night and you had no rebuttal when explained how it was selfess brave and dignified. a mockery? God forbid someone want something for people that they have never met so they don't have to go through what she had to. THe woman couldn't even die in her own state unless she wanted to be a vegetable...but she took her horrible situation to shine a light on a infringement of personal freedom.Mockery....I guess you hate that Jews had the audacity to flee Germany instead of taking it on the chin and dying a slow painful death in camps. I mean there is honor in the fight right? How did they live with themselves.
anyway...heres what you ignored last night...and I was tab typing so yes there are typos.
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Inher case she chose a path of no more pain and not to burden her family with her health that would lead lead to not only financial burdens but mental. I lived with my grandpaw his last year and a half and had to do everything the finsl 8 months from bath, wipe his arse and put diapers onhim, he was humiliated some days that his grandson had to take dare if him like a baby. So not only are they in pain both patient and care taker get mentally exhaustwd. When he passed i slept for slmost a week. I was so drained. Food bath sleep.
She chose to die so her family woyldnt have t do that. ...in her mind she wanted to keep her dignity and not be humiliated by not even veing able to wipe shite off herself.
She also wasnt selfish because they had time to enjoy together and get everything set up and not your typical suicide where family is in shock but cant mentally prepare for it while having toto get a shotgun funeral together. She knew ehen she was gonna die and chose to f7ght through pain bad enough she wanred to die and enjoy it with her family while fighting psin and seizures. Death was coming closer every day and she was going to do what she thought was best for her family
Thats brave andshe kepr her meaning of dignity.andits hers not anyone else's.
Also kinda brave to promote and fight for your choice while sick knowing people are going toshit on her for standding up for personal freedom
Posted on 11/3/14 at 7:58 am to Winkface
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I wish Lauren Hill's story was 18 pages. We can all learn from her. She is truly dying with dignity. Steve Gleason is dying with dignity.
Why do you get to choose a persons dignity? Maybe she doesn't want her family having to wipe her arse while she can't move. If she is humiliated while living where is her dignity?
You want her to be in constant pain and at some point have 0 control of her body and be completely reliant on other people for basic needs.....and you want to be able to control her definition of dignity? What kind of narcissistic a-hole thought is that?
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