re: Superman Was Too Powerful to be Interesting in Man of Steel

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Without vulnerability there is no drama. It is a tenant of good story telling

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You can create drama in, to me, more interesting ways, such as pitting him against an equally strong god like in Man of Steel. Or creating an internal conflict, such as whether this god should be protecting humans from each other, etc.

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That's why Superman is a terrible superhero.

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Remembering your posts, so sorry to hear that you're pretty one sided as a comic book fan. It's amazing how you can see everything that makes Batman great and completely write off Superman. Almost all comic book fans and experts see what makes both Superman and Batman great individually and when they're a team and acknowledge that.

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dossiers obviously

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This is truly all Batman would need:

I see no one here wants to address my point.

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Goku would destroy batman and Superman working as a team 

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Wouldn't DC run the risk getting played the plagiarism card?

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Sure...and it would be accurate...but so? In the end, they have essentially the same set up. Individual heroes that can all carry franchises who, at times, come together to form a super group. Credit Marvel for going first...but that should not, in my opinion, force DC to go in what looks to be the exact opposite route JUST to avoid people saying they are copying Marvel.

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I know it's an untested approach and there's a huge risk in it than the approach Marvel took but if it pays off, it will be incredible and perhaps even better than marvel's maybe. The market would definitely appreciate two different approaches.

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One way or another they'll get to the same point though, right? Eventually both studios (assuming we keep getting new comic book fare) will have individual as well as team up movies. I just don;t see any real reason to have reinvented the wheel solely to avoid being called late to the party. Given Marvel does not currently have access to Spider-Man, DC would have brought the two biggest heroes to the screen in Supes and Bats plus popular Flash and Green Lantern. They would have started out ahead based on branding alone.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not shitting on a movie I have not yet seen. It's just that once Marvel got their machine up and running I found I was more excited about the possibility of DC showing up with the characters I really loved and giving me what I want. And in the end...isn't that what it's all about?

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Isn't this always an issue with superman? Usually Lois is just too stupid to figure it out, even though she is supposed to be a great journalist. I was happy that this version was smart enough to do so.

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Again, this is still a hold over from when the story was written essentially for kids AND at a time when people were simply less cynical. You could just tell kids that when he put on his hat and glasses no one recognized him, and they'd go with it.

In reality, it's actually the most bizarre thing about the story, which is saying a lot! haha

Think of it in modern terms. Superman would be THE MOST visible being on the planet. You think we've seen a shite ton of photos of Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt? Supes would be on the cover of every magazine, or every TV show, etc. His image would be omnipresent. And yet...Clark Kent would never be mistaken for Supes with glasses? In a city as big as Metropolis? Wouldn't nearly everyone that walks up to him AT LEAST say, "Damn dude...you look just like Superman."

But, suspending disbelief is all part of this, so you just have to go with that so long as you want there to be a Clark Kent at The Daily Planet. Short of explaining it away with some foolishness about how he can project an altered image to everyone else and can therefore hide in plain sight, it's got to be that people just can't see it because Supes is larger than life and he's just some guy.

Fine...but how can anyone not know who he is based on the events of MoS? Lois tracked him down to Smallville fairly easily. Then Zod drops anchor there...why? Breakfast at IHOP? Even if he hadn't, Supes straight up tells the government that he grew up in Kansas! Oh...and Lois keeps screaming his freaking name at him in front of people.

Based on the events of MoS, you might be ale to concoct a universe where average people can;t see it, but there's no way in hell the US Government would not know who he was. Maybe they could not find out where he "hangs his cape," but they sure as shite could have added 1+1 and gotten to "Clark Kent."

My problems with Man of Steel. I have been daydreaming about it since Superman Returns bombed in 2006. Superman shouldve been more of a world humanitarian and copied from "superman Birthright". They shouldve had Superman in Africa helping villages with hunger and stopping warlords and going all over the world helping with natural disasters like hurricanes or trains. I would show Superman in the Middle East stopping both sides and saving people. And Zod was badass! The battle was awesome, Superman shouldve tried to stop collateral damage though.

And I will fight anyone who says MOS was a bad movie! All of you!

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I don't know, but I know Hulk fights Iron Man. Is there any disputing this

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thanks for the spoilers bro

I've read every post here and I have really enjoyed the differing opinions.

I so old I saw Supreman! The Motion Picture at the Broadmoore Twin in Baton Rouge opening night. As a kid walking out of there, I believed a man could fly. I've read comics as far back as I can remember. I started with DC, and as I matured, I leaned more towards Marvel. My favorite titles were X-Men, Daredevil, and Spider-Man.

I actually liked large parts of Superman Returns. The part where he is attempting to save the airliner may be the best portrayal of how I think Superman's flight would look. It's epic.

I was disappointed with certain portions of Man of Steel. The main issue I had was with him killing Zod at the end. One of the things that makes Superman a Hero is that he DOES have near omnipotence, and yet he chooses to hold himself back. He always finds another way. There's no way Superman would have held a running battle in the heart of Metropolis like that. He would have done everything he could to lure Zod out to some wasteland like a desert or Antartica or something. He certainly wouldn't have carelessly used skyscrapers full of people as part of the fight. (For those that reference the cartoons here, those are written for children, MoS went out of it's way to be more "adult" with it's dark serious tones). And Superman would have found another solution besides killing Zod. My friend and I were discussing this and in just a few minutes of back and forth I came up with a much better ending. Zod wanted to bring back the Kryptonian race. He was pissed because Kal-El had the Codex and that prevented him from doing what he was bred to do, to fight for, protect, and promote his race. During the story Zod talks about finding dead and abandoned scout ships all over the galaxy. All other Kryptonians are supposedly dead. Why not have Superman uncover a clue that there may be another lost colony out there somewhere. As Superman beats Zod to the point of having "won", with Zod now threatening to eyelazer some innocents because he feels his purpose for living is over and WANTS Superman to kill him, Superman uses his intellect and reason, not brute strength to convince Zod that he still has a reason to exist. He can use these new super powers to go out and find the last Kryptonian outpost.

He doesn't have to kill, he's above that. He is the ideal, and THAT'S what makes him Superman, not the physical powers. And he learned those ideals and morals from Paw fricking Kent, not Jor-El dammit.