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Posted on 10/15/14 at 10:53 pm to abellsujr
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the lack of red underwear
It needs to be brought back.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 10:58 pm to Scruffy
I honestly thought Amy Adams did just fine. She did a solid job but it'll never top the greatness that was the GOAT Lois Lane in Erica Durance in Smallville.
I honestly hope they don't go for the Supes and Lois hook up. I'm holding out for Superman and Wonder Woman together in live action.
Terrence Stamp would've been the epic GOAT as Zod in Man of Steel with the special effects and actually taking Supes to the woodshed. He would've been the best comic book movie villain ever IMO.
I honestly hope they don't go for the Supes and Lois hook up. I'm holding out for Superman and Wonder Woman together in live action.
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I thought Zod was great.
Terrence Stamp would've been the epic GOAT as Zod in Man of Steel with the special effects and actually taking Supes to the woodshed. He would've been the best comic book movie villain ever IMO.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 10:58 pm to abellsujr
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I think people hated so many other things about MoS that everything else just kind of gets thrown into the pile. The tone, the dialogue, the story, the "seriousness" of the film, the lack of red underwear, you name it.
I loved pretty much everything about that movie, but I guess I am in the minority on that one. It made enough money for them to continue making more, so I am satisfied.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 10:59 pm to Sentrius
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These discussions are for serious fans and they frequently forget that battles like that took place in the JLU series all the time and yet it gets a pass and the MoS battke doesn't. Weird.
I think those battles show two things.
First...that they got the modern interpretation of superman's power EXACTLY right in MoS. It was awe inspiring.
And two...where JLU was joyful and light even when they were tackling more serious story lines, MoS was all serious and real...so whereas you could wave your hand and essentially disregard the destruction you'd see in JLU, you really can't in MoS. While I think this criticism is largely overblown, I certainly see the point and agree mostly.
In the end, I think it's why as much as I love the big DC heros I'm enjoying the MCU more than I expect to enjoy Warner/DC's universe. Had they gotten Bruce Timm involved from JLU to help with tone, I'd be much happier. Tone, as much as anything else, is what Marvel has gotten pitch perfect in theirs thus far.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 10:59 pm to AlaTiger
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I have seen every Superman movie ever made and am pretty familiar with the character. Tell me how you make this iteration interesting? It is like he is "god" or something.
Superman has traditionally been a very powerful character. That's why the schtick has always been:
1. He doesn't kill (so his enemies survive and adapt)
2. He's vulnerable to magic (most modern comic book movie sensibilities eschew magic and this limits a good number of interesting stories and characters, particularly with Superman)
3. He's vulnerable to Kryptonite - which his enemies know and use. (In addition to Green Kryptonite, there are numerous possibilities with Red Kryptonite, which has unpredictable and varying effects on him.)
4. He is easily manipulated and exploited by threatening innocents.
5. Other Kryptonians (and this one has been done to death, IMHO).
The problem is that no one has the time or inclination to tell or listen to a more in-depth story that addresses these things (other than 4 or 5). They have to have a 3 or 4 picture arc - reboot the origin story, hit the high points, reboot the classic villains, rinse, repeat. If someone has the opportunity and time to tell interesting stories about Superman it is generally budget constrained, on television and tends to get the soap opera treatment (Lois and Clark, Smallville).
So, to have a non-powerful Superman doesn't make any sense to me. It's a different character - like a ninja Batman (don't get me started) or an emotionally stunted and immature Captain Kirk (to give a non comic book example).
So, the potential is there - with adapting foes, Kryptonite, complex relationships with other heroes, civilians, but the studios don't see billions in doing that - they need to destroy CGI cities to do that (or at least, they think so), and products like The Hulk and Superman are just what the doctor ordered.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:01 pm to Michael T. Tiger
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I think the world is just too cynical nowadays to accept a hero without flaws. Instead of someone to aspire to, we prefer someone we know can screw up like we would. It's easier knowing no one is perfect instead of fretting over the reality we never will be.
I prefer the ideal of perfection and the thought of always striving for perfection, always trying to improve. I do not like one bit the idea that flaws are ok and so our heroes should have them to make us feel better about ourselves. To me, that's like saying I prefer the QB that throws interceptions to one that does not because it makes me feel better about myself. I want a QB that throws 60 touchdowns and 0 interceptions. I would watch a movie about that QB 1 million times and love it.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:02 pm to LeonPhelps
quote:I loved it, and I think a good amount of people loved it also. I didn't like everything. The action sequences for me were amazing and top notch. I've been waiting my entire life to see Superman kick some arse. IMO, they know some of the mistakes they made, which is why they brought on a new writer. I hope they capitalize on the things they did right and improve on the things they didn't.
I loved pretty much everything about that movie, but I guess I am in the minority on that one. It made enough money for them to continue making more, so I am satisfied.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:03 pm to Sentrius
quote:Would've been pretty cool if they would have brought him back for that.
Terrence Stamp would've been the epic GOAT as Zod in Man of Steel with the special effects and actually taking Supes to the woodshed. He would've been the best comic book movie villain ever IMO.
I wish they wouldn't have wasted Antje Traue on Faora though. She could've been a good Wonder Woman.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:03 pm to Scruffy
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I see your point, but I like the antiheroes.
We are polar opposites here. I have not seen Guardians of the Galaxy and really don't have a desire to precisely because it is a group of anti-heroes. Give me the boy scout hero every time.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:04 pm to Scruffy
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I wish they wouldn't have wasted Antje Traue on Faora though. She could've been a good Wonder Woman.
I agree with this. Not a fan of who they got to play her.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:05 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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In the end, I think it's why as much as I love the big DC heros I'm enjoying the MCU more than I expect to enjoy Warner/DC's universe. Had they gotten Bruce Timm involved from JLU to help with tone, I'd be much happier. Tone, as much as anything else, is what Marvel has gotten pitch perfect in theirs thus far.
Yeah, I said as much last night that Man of Steel was a rough copy that still needed a lot of ironing out and smoother. The problem is what do you cut and what do you put in there to replace it?
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:07 pm to Sentrius
I like that, as movie-goers, we are given variety in our comic book movies. For campines and levity, we have Marvel. For a more serious take, we have DC movies. I would not want one to be just like the other either way.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:09 pm to Sentrius
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It needs to be brought back.
Nah...but it was glaring missing red around his waist. I wish they'd have added some red highlights to the crap at his sides.
The red underwear things is actually a funny holdover and makes no sense at all at this point. I'm sure we all know the origin of it being a visual key to strongmen from carnivals that wore getup's like that. That made perfect sense then...now it's one of those things that begs for an answer other than nostalgia.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:10 pm to Ace Midnight
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So, the potential is there - with adapting foes, Kryptonite, complex relationships with other heroes, civilians
I always thought Batman would make a great Bond like franchise that doesn't need to be rebooted over and over. The potential and source material is there for that.
I'm hoping one day they use the GOAT Superman story for a live action movie, All Star Superman. It's basically a telling of why Superman is the greatest superhero ever and what makes his character.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:13 pm to Sentrius
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Yeah, I said as much last night that Man of Steel was a rough copy that still needed a lot of ironing out and smoother. The problem is what do you cut and what do you put in there to replace it?
I liked it. As a Superman fan, I was okay with the killing, too, because it was a nod to us longtime fans the agonizing that he had over killing Zod and it was, precisely to save innocents. Still should have found a way around it, but if Superman is going to kill - that was the way to do it.
I was okay with Adams, but she overshadowed Superman to a degree - part of it was her acting is just flat out better than Cavill and they put Lois in too many scenes, doing too much stuff. Ditto for artificially intelligent Jor-El phantom ghost (whatever), but I guess that's the price you pay for getting Russell Crowe to do it.
I mean, Sean Bean would have taken the money and died in the Prologue (or Act I - not clear on the structure there) - and maybe made a little recorded speech to Kal-El later.
I mean other than Watchmen (and I had zero investment in the characters prior to watching the movie), The Joker Movie (TDK) and Avengers, MoS is a rare comic book movie I didn't say, "Meh." or worse since the first Chris Reeves Superman movie - and I've been reading comics for over 40 years.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:13 pm to LeonPhelps
quote:Oh, they aren't even the anti-heroes that I am partial too. That movie is just awesome.
We are polar opposites here. I have not seen Guardians of the Galaxy and really don't have a desire to precisely because it is a group of anti-heroes. Give me the boy scout hero every time.
Anti-heroes I like:
Deadpool
Psylocke
Wolverine
Domino
The Huntress (pre-New 52)
Constantine
Black Widow
Jennifer Blood
Just to name a few.
Maybe I should rephrase. I like the characters who have no reservations about taking a life, yet are still considered heroes.
Could say a lot of things about my psyche.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:19 pm to Sentrius
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Yeah, I said as much last night that Man of Steel was a rough copy that still needed a lot of ironing out and smoother. The problem is what do you cut and what do you put in there to replace it?
I've seen you're copy/paste from Reddit that's an extensive review about how this isn't REALLY Superman yet, and I essentially agree with it. It's certainly n interesting track to take.
I guess I'm just a little bummed that with Marvel having seemed to have gotten their universe SO right, that DC seems to have purposefully gone in a different direction when it really wasn't necessary.
Marvel had taken all the risk and had done the heavy lifting. DC could have decided this was the plan, cast everyone with the purpose of rebooting several franchises (Supes, Bats, Flash, GL) and then getting them together for JL. They already had not one but TWO blueprints as to how to do this well. Marvel's where they decided to allow the comics to breathe and not be ashamed of the source material...and their own Justice League cartoons and stand alone Batman and Superman cartoons which were very popular and had a similar tone to the MCU.
Instead...they've seemingly gone in a much more untested direction which may or may not pan out. As a bigger fan of their guys than of Marvel, this troubles me because I REALLY REALLY wanted JL to be perfect. I've been a fan since Saturday morning Super Fiends days...I don;t want this to fail.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:26 pm to AlaTiger
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A hero has to have a vulnerability and it needs to be more than green rocks.
No shite. That's why Superman is a terrible superhero. Your problem with the movie is inherent to the character. He is a god-like character. Everyone knows this. How you can claim to know a lot about the character and then can even feign surprise is nonsensical.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:27 pm to LoveThatMoney
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A hero has to have a vulnerability and it needs to be more than green rocks.
No shite. That's why Superman is a terrible superhero
Why does a hero need vulnerability? Why would you want him to have any?
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