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re: Brady Hoke's already-hot seat burst into flames
Posted on 9/29/14 at 1:57 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 9/29/14 at 1:57 pm to Bunk Moreland
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You gonna get banned for that.
For stating facts?
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 1:58 pm to TreyAnastasio
I just know the admins were nuking any mention of that at one point. I'd hate to lose you during football season unless it's to a dumb ban bet.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 1:58 pm to RandySavage
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Yes there was something wrong, but did you see the way he was walking around before the hit. It looked no different.
Before the hit he was standing on his own, after the hit he collapsed into a lineman and had to be held up.
Before the hit he looked aware, after he looked like he had no idea where he was.
Doesn't matter if he was or was not hurt, you simply err on the side of caution every time. Hoke didn't put his players safety first.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:00 pm to ForkEmDemons
You claimed to coach you never had a player wave you off?
If you say no I do not believe you.
If you say no I do not believe you.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:02 pm to sms151t
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You claimed to coach you never had a player wave you off?
If you say no I do not believe you.
Yes, I've have plenty wave me off and I took them out anyway. Safety first. A good competitor never wants to go out, as a coach it is your job to protect them.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:05 pm to ForkEmDemons
You're not being truthful.
I know that for a fact as we at SMS were waved off times and especially if if was an ankle like this was.
Head Injury I'll take your word. But watch the whole series not just the one hit.
I know that for a fact as we at SMS were waved off times and especially if if was an ankle like this was.
Head Injury I'll take your word. But watch the whole series not just the one hit.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:07 pm to sms151t
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I know that for a fact as we at SMS were waved off times and especially if if was an ankle like this was.
Only SMS I know of is St. Mary's School in Natchitoches and I've never coached there. Good school though.
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Head Injury I'll take your word. But watch the whole series not just the one hit.
I did, and the QB very visibly falls down, not unlike a boxer who was just kit with a KO blow. IF it weren't for the lineman holding him up the QB would have hit the ground.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:08 pm to ForkEmDemons
No it's a college team I'm talking about and our ATC was over protective.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:19 pm to sms151t
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No it's a college team I'm talking about and our ATC was over protective.
I've seen players waive a coach off and have had no problem with it.
Get tackled and limp a bit, waive off because your good, I've got no problem if the player simple had a slight twist.
But, when you have a potential head injury, the player goes off, no questions asked.
When I coach if a player took a hard shot or awkward tackle (like a facemask/horse collar) I'd take them out as a precaution and made them get checked out by the training staff or team doctor.
If it was a head injury (wobbly, concussion symptoms) or heat related, they were out for the rest of the game. With what we know it is too much risk.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:29 pm to sms151t
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Galloway and Kanel just nailed it on CFB Daily. If Minnesota had lost this isn't an issue. They're saying media and fans using it to advance Hoke to be gone.
100% accurate.
It's faux outrage in an attempt to force a change.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:30 pm to moneyg
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:42 pm to moneyg
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100% accurate.
It's faux outrage in an attempt to force a change.
While I don't 100% agree it's faux outrage, the outrage is definitely heightened and intensified as a result of the way the season is going.
If Hoke hadn't been deemed incompetent in numerous areas prior to this game, then it would be just a bad mistake we could get over. But instead it adds to the already solid foundation Hoke has of being too incompetent for this job.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:53 pm to HumbleNinja
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While I don't 100% agree it's faux outrage, the outrage is definitely heightened and intensified as a result of the way the season is going.
If Hoke hadn't been deemed incompetent in numerous areas prior to this game, then it would be just a bad mistake we could get over. But instead it adds to the already solid foundation Hoke has of being too incompetent for this job.
This.
I don't think Hoke is some monster but this is indication of a man who simply does not have what it takes to manage a college football game.
The outrage would not have been as strong as it is today had Michigan won, but with the stories and reports of concussion lawsuits in the media it would have gained traction.
If anything positive comes from this is that hopefully it will make the NCAA strengthen concussion/injury rules so that scenes like this don't happen again.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:53 pm to TreyAnastasio
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@DanMurphyESPN
"Fire Brady" chants coming from the Big House after that score.
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@JackSatzinger
Michigan students are now chanting "Fire Brady." Not looking good for the head coach right now.
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@JRoseWXYZ
Student section now chanting "Fire Brandon" a few series ago it was "Fire Brady" I'd guess they weren't happy with the product today.
Fire everybody.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 2:55 pm to ForkEmDemons
It wasn't a concussion though that's the crazy thing. No way do they let him in if it was. People stating as fact it was are wrong.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:49 pm to sms151t
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It wasn't a concussion though that's the crazy thing. No way do they let him in if it was. People stating as fact it was are wrong.
I don't think people are questioning that, it is just that he was showing concussion symptoms and was left in the game and was reinserted late into a game that was already decided while being visibly injured.
When your QB falls into your lineman like this (see picture) you have to take him out.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:52 pm to ForkEmDemons
And you know for certain it was the hit that caused that not an ankle issue?
We both know ankle leg issues can cause same if trying to walk off.
Again he waved off Hoke 2 plays and the play of the hit.
We both know ankle leg issues can cause same if trying to walk off.
Again he waved off Hoke 2 plays and the play of the hit.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 3:57 pm to sms151t
Does the Marshall coach who let Byron Leftwich be carried down the field by his OL deserve to be fired? I mean after all he had to be held up by his OL.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 4:03 pm to TreyAnastasio
An interesting (and germane) article to this whole thing:
LINK
The bottom line is that, while a lot of major programs are working toward making training staffs completely independent from athletic departments, we're not completely there yet.
I don't know where Michigan is on this issue, but I think that any coach attempting to interfere with or sway the medical staff's decisions in any way should be treated by the NCAA as a major violation (for whatever that's worth anymore)
The way I see it, Brady Hoke is barely qualified to open his fricking mouth at a press conference, let alone coach a major team, so him making any sort of medical determination about whether a kid should or shouldn't play is laughable at the very best.
Hoke should be focusing his laser-like intellect on tasks such as tying his own shoes and coordinating walking and talking simultaneously. The safety of athletes should not be in his hands.
LINK
The bottom line is that, while a lot of major programs are working toward making training staffs completely independent from athletic departments, we're not completely there yet.
I don't know where Michigan is on this issue, but I think that any coach attempting to interfere with or sway the medical staff's decisions in any way should be treated by the NCAA as a major violation (for whatever that's worth anymore
) The way I see it, Brady Hoke is barely qualified to open his fricking mouth at a press conference, let alone coach a major team, so him making any sort of medical determination about whether a kid should or shouldn't play is laughable at the very best.
Hoke should be focusing his laser-like intellect on tasks such as tying his own shoes and coordinating walking and talking simultaneously. The safety of athletes should not be in his hands.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 4:10 pm to sms151t
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And you know for certain it was the hit that caused that not an ankle issue?
We both know ankle leg issues can cause same if trying to walk off.
No way I could tell if it was a concussion or a bad ankle injury and no way anyone on the sideline can tell that with just looking either.
But he just got a very vicious hit to the head which can cause a concussion. Wobbling, falling down are signs of a concussion.
You don't risk it.
If he has a concussion and you keep him in you are putting him at a severe risk. If he is fine and he misses some game time at least you know for sure. Why risk it?
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 4:11 pm
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