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re: When/How do we start punishing parents for disasterous parenting?
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:09 am to SlowFlowPro
How do you propose punishing them?
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:11 am to LSUGrrrl
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How do you propose punishing them?
Sterilization
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:12 am to LSUGrrrl
I will go ahead and give my answer: never.
Small government mind forever!
Small government mind forever!
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:16 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Wow. As someone who wasn't able to have biological kids, that is freaking disgusting.
So many willing to give government such incredible powers over our lives.
So many willing to give government such incredible powers over our lives.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:17 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I disagree that society was a better place overall (being married to my spouse would have been social suicide in that time period, and I cannot fathom life without that blue-eyed beauty by my side), but hindsight being 20/20,
I am ashamed - I totally ignored this aspect of my youth in my prior response.
In actuality it probably took me more than a few years for this novelty to not look 'strange' to me. I just didn't see it very much until years and years later.
Had no idea you were black -
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:21 am to LSUGrrrl
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Wow. As someone who wasn't able to have biological kids, that is freaking disgusting.
My apologies Grrrl. It was a joke in poor taste.
The real answer is not necessarily to punish bad parenting but rather to stop rewarding it with government handouts.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:24 am to GeauxxxTigers23
My only issue is that taking away benefits hurts the child more than helps. EBT should be greatly limited to what can be purchased, similar to WIC, but expanded.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:25 am to LSUGrrrl
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My only issue is that taking away benefits hurts the child more than helps.
Not really. People that go through hardship tend to turn out better on the other side.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:25 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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stop rewarding it with government handouts.
See thread. Open thread. Go straight to bottom.
There I see GT23 with correct answer.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:29 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Not really. People that go through hardship tend to turn out better on the other side.
Which benefits would you propose removing?
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:32 am to ChineseBandit58
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am ashamed - I totally ignored this aspect of my youth in my prior response.
Oh no need for shame! That's just something that I often think about given my personal situation
So very many different angles to consider. We really have come a long way in some regards (while, admittedly, regressing in others). We could probably do over civil rights 100 times over as a society and still not get it right in hindsight.
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Had no idea you were black
Haha yes, sir!
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:32 am to LSUGrrrl
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Which benefits would you propose removing?
I don't think we should let people starve. But being poor should suck a lot more than it does. Basic nutritional needs should be met but you shouldn't get to go the grocery and buy whatever the frick you want with taxpayer money. Bread, eggs, milk, juice, and a certain amount of meat per week for protein.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:44 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I can agree with this. Like a said above, EBT should be restricted similar to WIC. Vegetables could be unlimited while other items restricted.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:46 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Basic nutritional needs should be met but you shouldn't get to go the grocery and buy whatever the frick you want with taxpayer money. Bread, eggs, milk, juice, and a certain amount of meat per week for protein.
I concur.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
it sounds like a good idea but how do you enforce this?
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 7:50 am
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:59 am to catholictigerfan
SFP you have been very inconsistent in this thread.
asking how to punish parents for disastrous parenting is a call for more government
than later you say the solution is less government.
You argue that kids who are: trouble maker in schools, obese, smokers, drug abusers, etc. aren't at fault rather their parents are and they shouldn't allowed to have kids. While I think a parent in certain instances can be charged with a crime because their kid did something horrible. But The only way to enforce what you want is a large amount more of government intervention. Sure removing subsidies will help, making food stamps only for healthy things would help, but that doesn't punish parents for disastrous parenting.
If you really want to punish parents for being bad parents you need more government to do that. Because right now, there is no punishment for a parent whose kid is obese, gets in trouble at school, smokes, does drugs, etc.
asking how to punish parents for disastrous parenting is a call for more government
than later you say the solution is less government.
You argue that kids who are: trouble maker in schools, obese, smokers, drug abusers, etc. aren't at fault rather their parents are and they shouldn't allowed to have kids. While I think a parent in certain instances can be charged with a crime because their kid did something horrible. But The only way to enforce what you want is a large amount more of government intervention. Sure removing subsidies will help, making food stamps only for healthy things would help, but that doesn't punish parents for disastrous parenting.
If you really want to punish parents for being bad parents you need more government to do that. Because right now, there is no punishment for a parent whose kid is obese, gets in trouble at school, smokes, does drugs, etc.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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for many years i've proposed parents losing social welfare benefits if their child is a truant or disruptive in school
that seems extreme, kid cuts up in school parent looses welfare?
now I don't think welfare is good for anyone, but that just seems extreme.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:04 am to catholictigerfan
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asking how to punish parents for disastrous parenting is a call for more government
not necessarily. i made a very specific point about social ostracizing those of bad culture. that's private and not public-based
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than later you say the solution is less government.
it is, but that may not be an option (especially in the short term)
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You argue that kids who are: trouble maker in schools, obese, smokers, drug abusers, etc. aren't at fault
oh no. they're at fault. when discussing this topic with liberals, the liberals will shift blame to the parents...and then offer no solution to the problem except possibly more redistributed money
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and they shouldn't allowed to have kids.
i didn't say that. in fact i directly responded to a comment about this with "that's a bit extreme" (on p1)
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But The only way to enforce what you want is a large amount more of government intervention.
not true, but it would definitely be the easiest way
quote:it removes the public-based incentive that allows them to be shite parents in one arena
Sure removing subsidies will help, making food stamps only for healthy things would help, but that doesn't punish parents for disastrous parenting.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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those not on welfare would face similar issues if the kid was kicked out of his/her private school. they couldn't go to a public school OR the parent would be punished financially by paying a metric frick ton to another private school. that punishment, in theory, would lead to a change of course in the parenting
there is a major issue with this that could develop if you adopted a system like this.
Many private schools are based on applications, many of those schools wouldn't accept a kid who got kicked out of school for discipline problems. You would have large portions of the population I believe that their kids wouldn't be able to go to school. Sometimes even parents who are doing their best to raise a good child a child who doesn't get in trouble fails. Shutting off public schools to kids who get kicked out of school will cause many kids to not get an education which will probably lead to more crime and other things related to kids who aren't in school.
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