re: When/How do we start punishing parents for disasterous parenting?

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am i the only one who is blown away that health insurance is not dependent on weight? is that part of a regulatory scheme?

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It is in Japan, I think.

Probably.

I sorta recall reading that they have yearly physicals and if you are not within the set parameters, you have to pay more.

supposedly smokers and gay people are going to have some severe sticker shock with obamacare in a few years

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Men with waists measuring more than 33.5 inches or women with waists measuring more than 35.5 inches are considered “at risk” and are referred to counseling, email and phone monitoring and correspondence, along with motivational support. There is no fine or penalty for those who exceed the recommended measurements.

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Well thats disappointing I was hoping they'd take away the fatties xbox and make him work out

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socially ostracizing and criticizing is a possible avenue. we've gone WAY the opposite way. shame has disappeared from our society and pride has been dissolved. the obesity shite is quite literally the icing on the cake

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This is the key to it. We don't humiliate people for bad decisions anymore. At all. But this goes much, much deeper than simple shame, as it's the result of a changing moral structure.

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it's the result of a changing moral structure.

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No one is supposed to feel bad about anything anymore. It's either the person being unique or it's another person's or entity's fault. And if you aren't in a "unique" group, whether it be fat, poor, etc., you're not allowed to be proud or happy about being fit, financially stable, etc. without being ostracized for your lack of shame.

sterilization

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at some point a line/policy has to be drawn

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Slippery slope, mynug

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Easy solution: Instead of food stamps, people on welfare now have a dedicated account that can only be used at government food depots. Stock the food depots with basic staples, necessities, and healthy food options.

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I have been shouting this solution forever - even before the innerwebs.

I would also make it inconvenient to get the stuff - if they aren;t working, they got lots of time to stand in line. Need to show up on Saturday at a deserted parking lot and stand around for three hours to get enough rice, flour, canned meat, powdered milk, dried beans, and fresh veggies to last until the truck comes back next week.

DOn't like it? get a job and buy your own food.

NEVER give them $$$$$$. EVER!!!!!!

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No offense, but that places your growing up/early adult years squarely during the thick of the the Civil Rights Movement. Not exactly the most polite/caring time in our nation's history.

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You are quite correct - I was a teenager and it took about 18 months for me to completely U-turn the thinking I had grown up with. I was sickened by the wickedness of some on the segregation side, and became a big fan of MLK.

However, the society was still polite - albeit segregated. I don't recall any hostility in all my years growing up. We didn't associate, sure, but there was no hostility. In high school, we had to share some equipment (the black school had a mimeograph machine that actually worked, so we went over there to do some rush jobs) There was no hostility nor overt superiority/inferiority displays - just matter-of-fact cooperation.

I don't recall any racial violence in either direction. I grew up in an era where things were just the way they were. I didn't question it beyond the one time when I was about 8 years old when I asked my dad about why there were 'men' 'women' and 'colored' rest rooms in the courthouse. He told me it was because of 'hygiene' and I accepted it as a fact. (I was more excited to learn what the word 'hygiene' meant.)

I know - I know - all you youngsters would have grown up advocating for the overturn of the society you were born into because you are all so much wiser and smarter and more compassionate than we were. Fifty years from now when it is scientifically concluded that abortion kills a living human being (and is therefore morally wrong,) you will all know what I mean.

Just because it took me about 18 months to recognize the moral repugnance of state-enforced segregation, doesn't mean that I reject every single moral precept that I absorbed as I was growing up. Overall, society was a better place back then, and if I could have a do-over on the whole civil-rights movement, I would take it in an instant - hoping to get it right the next time.

The current progressive view of the black community is far far more destructive to black society than segregation ever was. As of now, the black community is nothing but another plantation for which blacks to be subservant to, The progressives harvest their votes and provide them with just enough food, protection, and entertainment to keep them from revolting,

IF we could go back and fix segregation without poisoning them with the 'great society' both sides of the civil rights divide would be in fantastic shape.

Of course most blacks would be voting GOP if that happened so we would not be enjoying all the other blessings that the progressive movement has brought us