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re: When/How do we start punishing parents for disasterous parenting?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:59 pm to THRILLHO
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:59 pm to THRILLHO
In a perfect world, sure. People are generally terrible at weighing short term benefit to long term benefits. It's cheaper per time and dollar spent to get processed food. So people make the decision to eat the easy and tasty option. The goal I'm speaking of is to change that. Make good food cheaper and make bad food more expensive in an effort to change the calculus on the short term benefit in an effort to get the desired long term benefits.
You create incentive structures to get your children to behave. Why are we fundamentally different as adults?
I am sympathetic to your viewpoint. I'd just don't believe you're going to get the desired result.
You create incentive structures to get your children to behave. Why are we fundamentally different as adults?
I am sympathetic to your viewpoint. I'd just don't believe you're going to get the desired result.
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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when was the last state without policing via the state to regulate people's behavior?
You mean like in New York where they tell Restaurants how much salt to use and try to limit the size fountain drink people can have?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:17 pm to Duke
I do not believe it is about price because cooking healthy food is cheaper if done correctly. Cooking with intention to eat leftovers is way cheaper then buying a frozen pizza or eating out.
People just do not know how to cook
I had a roommate in college that did not know that you had to flip bacon and others that did not know how to make good eggs.
People just do not know how to cook
I had a roommate in college that did not know that you had to flip bacon and others that did not know how to make good eggs.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:20 pm to Dire Wolf
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I had a roommate in college that did not know that you had to flip bacon and others that did not know how to make good eggs.
It used to be that man killed and then cooked his own food. Then he digressed to buying meat, but still cooking. Now, many simply skip cooking as well. Maybe the next step is being bottle fed?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:20 pm to Duke
I think the price difference of eating healthy and eating poorly is overstated. Whenever I go into Atkins diet mode, I spend WAY less on food than I do when I'm eating poorly. Having a large pizza and a 2 liter of Coke delivered will cost me around $20 and I can consume that over 2 dinners. $20 can get me right in the range of a pack of 8 frozen chicken breasts, 6 hamburger patties, and a dozen eggs, which will cover all of my meals for 10 days, with water costing practically nothing. We don't need to make bad food more expensive for those that can afford it, we just simply have to stop giving away bad food to people that cannot afford it.
ETA: Dire Wolf beat me to it.
ETA: Dire Wolf beat me to it.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:24 pm to Revelator
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Maybe the next step is being bottle fed?
The ultimate goal is stomach tubes providing us all of our nutrition so we never have to get up from our recliners while watching TV. The Government will of course regulate our diets for us, no need to go to work or think independently.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:26 pm to THRILLHO
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I think the price difference of eating healthy and eating poorly is overstated.
I have gotten in this argument 1000x on r/politics health related post so I am always ready to bring my guns out. There are countless blogs that give you recipes, people are just to lazy hence the reason they are fat.
I do not support big government in most ways but as health care goes increasingly public I want to see some changes done.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
Who gives a frick, you are going to die, fat or skinny. The bigger problem are all these old stingy bastards who demand we pay for their "golden" years. The overly healthy who will waste away into dementia is much more of a problem then the fat who could do society a favor and kick off in their 40s or 50s.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:33 pm to Dire Wolf
It's not just money. It's time. It's effort. Running around picking the kids up after their activities. It's easier to go the prepackaged/fast food route.
It's be great if everyone shopped to cook meals ahead of time and feast on leftovers. That's what I do, because I can cook and save some money that way. Many people apparently aren't able or willing to do that. So I offer the tax and tax elimination package to make the savings more worth the extra effort.
Make it even cheaper to eat healthy. More expensive to not. Tip the scales toward better eating.
If the current savings were actually worth it on healthier food, we wouldn't be staring down this obesity problem (though it's certainly not the only factor).
It's be great if everyone shopped to cook meals ahead of time and feast on leftovers. That's what I do, because I can cook and save some money that way. Many people apparently aren't able or willing to do that. So I offer the tax and tax elimination package to make the savings more worth the extra effort.
Make it even cheaper to eat healthy. More expensive to not. Tip the scales toward better eating.
If the current savings were actually worth it on healthier food, we wouldn't be staring down this obesity problem (though it's certainly not the only factor).
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Less government would force better decision making.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:38 pm to Duke
At McDonald's its 1.49 for a double cheeseburger and around $6 for a salad
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
Believe me, I understand that it is not only welfare recipients who are obese. However I would venture to guess that the proportion of obese persons per welfare recipient is larger than the proportion of obese person per non-welfare recipient. That said, on any given day around lunch I can go to my local grocery store and see several very obese customers purchasing 2 liter soft-drinks and large bags of junk food and/or pastries for lunch, all with foot stamps.
Easy solution: Instead of food stamps, people on welfare now have a dedicated account that can only be used at government food depots. Stock the food depots with basic staples, necessities, and healthy food options.
Don't like it? Well that sounds like a pretty good incentive to earn your own living. However, when you're asking the taxpayer to pay for YOUR groceries, the choices should be limited.
It won't solve every problem, but I bet some good change would come from it.
Easy solution: Instead of food stamps, people on welfare now have a dedicated account that can only be used at government food depots. Stock the food depots with basic staples, necessities, and healthy food options.
Don't like it? Well that sounds like a pretty good incentive to earn your own living. However, when you're asking the taxpayer to pay for YOUR groceries, the choices should be limited.
It won't solve every problem, but I bet some good change would come from it.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Treat them like animals. Sterilize the ones that are unfit. It may seem cruel but eventually mother nature will do the job in a less kind way.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:44 pm to roygu
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Treat them like animals. Sterilize the ones that are unfit. It may seem cruel but eventually mother nature will do the job in a less kind way.
Look up the history. America sterilized before. ( I'm not for it)
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:54 pm to Revelator
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It used to be that man killed and then cooked his own food. Then he digressed to buying meat, but still cooking. Now, many simply skip cooking as well. Maybe the next step is being bottle fed?
Gotcha covered
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:04 pm to Revelator
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Look up the history. America sterilized before. ( I'm not for it)
Yeah! I know. It hasn't worked very well in China.
As I said, mother nature will take care of the population one day.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I've said this before, it should be approached the same way we approached the smoking issue.
socially ostracizing and criticizing is a possible avenue. we've gone WAY the opposite way. shame has disappeared from our society and pride has been dissolved. the obesity shite is quite literally the icing on the cake
Start as campaigns showing the health problems. Have people on commercials in hospital beds stating the diseases that destroyed their lives because they were overweight.
We do stuff like that for anorexia. It should be done for obesity as well.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
Something needs to be done yes, but what can we do that's not anti freedom and liberty and also Un-American as frick?
Obesity is truly an epidemic in this country and it's one reason why I laugh at anybody who says the poor are living horribly. I mean dude, our poor is fricking fat! Fat! Does any other country have their poor as fat as ours?
Obesity is truly an epidemic in this country and it's one reason why I laugh at anybody who says the poor are living horribly. I mean dude, our poor is fricking fat! Fat! Does any other country have their poor as fat as ours?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:52 pm to Sentrius
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Something needs to be done yes, but what can we do that's not anti freedom and liberty and also Un-American as frick?
My sentiments as well. The only thing I can think of would be some sort of incentive program, but that would involve opening up a whole 'nother bureaucratic can of worms that I don't want to see happen.
Besides, I really can't think of a better incentive for eating healthy than not dying.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:55 pm to UGATiger26
Honestly just give every kid adderal. It acts as a dietary supplement and helps keep them focused. I lost 100lbs in the summer I started on it and my junior and senior year were my best academically.
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