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re: Head referee for St. Paul's/ Mandeville game arrested in middle of game
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:50 pm to tigerskin
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:50 pm to tigerskin
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No way this happens at Parkview, John Curtis, etc etc where you have an older Coach in control of the program.
You're right, the sidelines wouldn't be packed beyond capacity to a point that would create this issue at either of those school's games.
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:52 pm to the808bass
I have been called worse than that.
This is a stupid situation caused by egos on both sides.
This is a stupid situation caused by egos on both sides.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 9:53 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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LHSAA can strut a and make noise, but this is up to the prosecutor's office to proceed or not.
Yeah, I brushed up on some criminal law and motive is only an indirect indicator, so I was talking out of my arse.
However, sitting on a jury I've seen that it means everything.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 10:01 pm to 62zip
I want the truth !
The officials' lawyers are smiling....
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Cooper wouldn't go into specific details of his conversations with West and Short about the incident, but said both admitted there was no physical confrontation between the officials and Short.
He said Short arrested them "more or less (because of) words and maybe actions. It was a question of authority, and there's probably a gray line there. ... I don't think any of us know what really happened unless we were there, and we're in the process of getting the truth. I want the truth."
The officials' lawyers are smiling....
Posted on 10/16/13 at 10:01 pm to bisonduck
No jury for city court though
Posted on 10/16/13 at 10:07 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
....and a bit more info
Police Dept with a history of alleged excessive force
Lawyers are REALLY happy....
Police Dept with a history of alleged excessive force
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"Regardless of who was right or wrong, it's a black eye on the community and the police department itself," he said. "These are the things we need to rectify, get rid of. That's not the type of police department or image, I should say, that the City of Covington is looking for."
The CPD's previous chief, Richard Palmisano, was fired in April, following several incidents in which officers were accused of using excessive force.
Lawyers are REALLY happy....
Posted on 10/16/13 at 10:13 pm to brewhan davey
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You're right, the sidelines wouldn't be packed beyond capacity to a point that would create this issue at either of those school's games.
Uh PBS has had sro only quite a few times
Posted on 10/16/13 at 10:30 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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No jury for city court though
You can always request a jury trial for a criminal offense.
Posted on 10/16/13 at 11:01 pm to Golfer
False
Posted on 10/17/13 at 12:24 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
Well, that I didn't know. I could've sworn my jury duty was municipal court but perhaps it was county court.
This post was edited on 10/17/13 at 12:29 am
Posted on 10/17/13 at 10:40 am to bisonduck
Small town cops are the worst. Its tough being a backup linebacker on a 2A team. Better become a cop so that you have some meaning to your life.
Posted on 10/17/13 at 11:05 am to SM6
if he was there as paid security it is his job to enforce the wishes of the LHSAA officials and the game management
the fact that there were unauthorized people on the sidelines is indefensible
the fact that the security officer had a confrontation with the officials over the presence of unauthorized spectators on the sidelines is indefensible
the fact that the officer escalated the situation to a point where the officials were arrested is indefensible
this is how it was explained to us when we went through training with the LHSAA:
for on the field/court of play
crew chief > game management > cop
for crowd control and safety concerns beyond the scope of play
cop > game management > reff
for overall leadership and oversight of the game
Game management > reff > cop
if the Line Judge says the spectators are interfering with the chain gang and they need to be removed then that should have happened without question. Right or wrong the crew chief has the authority to make a decision regarding game play and have game management or security enforce it.
rest assured if my crew chief was arrested on such a bull shite charge I would not have completed the game.
the fact that there were unauthorized people on the sidelines is indefensible
the fact that the security officer had a confrontation with the officials over the presence of unauthorized spectators on the sidelines is indefensible
the fact that the officer escalated the situation to a point where the officials were arrested is indefensible
this is how it was explained to us when we went through training with the LHSAA:
for on the field/court of play
crew chief > game management > cop
for crowd control and safety concerns beyond the scope of play
cop > game management > reff
for overall leadership and oversight of the game
Game management > reff > cop
if the Line Judge says the spectators are interfering with the chain gang and they need to be removed then that should have happened without question. Right or wrong the crew chief has the authority to make a decision regarding game play and have game management or security enforce it.
rest assured if my crew chief was arrested on such a bull shite charge I would not have completed the game.
Posted on 10/17/13 at 1:38 pm to supatigah
You are confusing your LHSAA rules with laws. I don't care about your rules. My job is enforce the laws and protect everyone at the game. In no way is a ref ever gonna tell me how to do my job. But I also am a professional at my job and would never put myself in this officers position.
On the other hand the officer should not have had his friends on the sidelines and he should have listened to the officials request that they move back.
The officer maybe paid by the school as security, but as soon as he takes law enforcement action he reverts back to a police officer under his PDs jurisdiction. That us Mississisppi state law at least and how our department handles this. When we work HS games though we are paid by our PD though, not the school. I don't know about Louisiana.
On the other hand the officer should not have had his friends on the sidelines and he should have listened to the officials request that they move back.
The officer maybe paid by the school as security, but as soon as he takes law enforcement action he reverts back to a police officer under his PDs jurisdiction. That us Mississisppi state law at least and how our department handles this. When we work HS games though we are paid by our PD though, not the school. I don't know about Louisiana.
Posted on 10/17/13 at 1:54 pm to Golfer
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You can always request a jury trial for a criminal offense.
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False
You are entitled to a jury on a misdemeanor if the fine can exceed $1,000 or a term of imprisonment for more than six months. If that's the case, and you ask for a jury, I don't think City court can hear it anymore.
Otherwise, you may not be entitled to a jury on a misdemeanor in this state.
I don't know what they might be officially charged with, but if I remember right, public intimidation of an officer carries a maximum of $1,000 and a 5 year penalty. So, they might be entitled to a jury in this case.
Posted on 10/17/13 at 2:03 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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In no way is a ref ever gonna tell me how to do my job.
Your "job" as paid hired security is to enforce the rules and regulations of the LHSAA administered through the Officials and Game Administrator.
You're not "doing your job" unless you follow their instructions.
Are you not able to take direction from anyone because you're an LEO? It sounds like it.
Posted on 10/17/13 at 2:23 pm to KosmoCramer
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Your "job" as paid hired security is to enforce the rules and regulations of the LHSAA administered through the Officials and Game Administrator. You're not "doing your job" unless you follow their instructions. Are you not able to take direction from anyone because you're an LEO? It sounds like it.
My job as a LEO is to enforce LAWS which is what I do when I am working HS games. We don't work for the school, nor do we work for the refs. We have a job to do. I do follow directions of my supervisors and my officers follow my directions. But I don't follow directions from people who don't know what my job is and how to do my job. Just like I don't try and tell others how to do their jobs if I don't know how to do it.
This post was edited on 10/17/13 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 10/17/13 at 2:24 pm to FalseProphet
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You are entitled to a jury on a misdemeanor if the fine can exceed $1,000 or a term of imprisonment for more than six months. If that's the case, and you ask for a jury, I don't think City court can hear it anymore. Otherwise, you may not be entitled to a jury on a misdemeanor in this state. I don't know what they might be officially charged with, but if I remember right, public intimidation of an officer carries a maximum of $1,000 and a 5 year penalty. So, they might be entitled to a jury in this case.
In Mississippi you can ask for a jury trial. It happens every once ina blue moon on DUI trials. Most of them plead no contest in city court and appeal it to county court if they want a jury.
Posted on 10/17/13 at 2:29 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
Charges dropped, apologies given
LINK
COVINGTON, La. - Saying it was "the right thing to do," Covington Mayor Mike Cooper said that charges against two high school referees at a weekend football game would be dropped.
James Radcliffe, the head referee at the St. Paul's-Mandeville contest last Friday, and line judge Chris Gambino were arrested by Covington police for public intimidation after a confrontation that included the chain gang, some sideline fans and police.
Cooper apologized to the officials, and said he apologies for how the incident between a Covington Police Department officer and the referees was handled. He requested that St. Tammany Parish District Attorney Walter Reed drop the charges and he agreed to do it.
The Greater New Orleans High School Officials Association stood behind its officials, saying they would refuse to referee the remaining Covington games of the season if police department officers provided security. Instead, the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s office will staff the games.
LINK
COVINGTON, La. - Saying it was "the right thing to do," Covington Mayor Mike Cooper said that charges against two high school referees at a weekend football game would be dropped.
James Radcliffe, the head referee at the St. Paul's-Mandeville contest last Friday, and line judge Chris Gambino were arrested by Covington police for public intimidation after a confrontation that included the chain gang, some sideline fans and police.
Cooper apologized to the officials, and said he apologies for how the incident between a Covington Police Department officer and the referees was handled. He requested that St. Tammany Parish District Attorney Walter Reed drop the charges and he agreed to do it.
The Greater New Orleans High School Officials Association stood behind its officials, saying they would refuse to referee the remaining Covington games of the season if police department officers provided security. Instead, the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s office will staff the games.
This post was edited on 10/17/13 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/17/13 at 2:30 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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My job as a LEO is to enforce LAWS which is what I do when I am working HS games.
At a public school maybe. This was at St. Paul's.
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We don't work for the school, nor do we work for the refs.
In this case the officer was either working as a security detail for the school, OR (most likely) was there in an unofficial capacity. He needs to abide by the rules and regulations of the LHSAA. If he was asked to move and/or move people from the sidelines he needs to do so. Refusal of that order is grounds for the official to remove him from the PRIVATE premises. At that point he was trespassing, and HE should have been arrested.
This post was edited on 10/17/13 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/17/13 at 2:30 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
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My job as a LEO is to enforce LAWS which is what I do when I am working HS games. We don't work for the school, nor do we work for the refs.
You do realize who pays for you to work there?
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