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CajunAngele
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No, they dont.

BTW: aren't unions exempt from ObamaCare as well?

A friend of mine whose husband is a teacher in a union state said, teachers were told, they would have to drop their spouses/S/O's from health care down the pike because of ObamaCare.






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TJG210
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Not mocking...they honestly dont give a frick.


Right......because as a collective we can do shite to stop them. A lot of the citizens of this country have their heads stuck so far up their asses they will never see how these criminals are fricking us over every single day.






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Taxing Authority
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...they honestly dont give a frick.
Why should they? We aren't going to vote them out. Ultimately this is our fault. They do not fear us, because we as voters... have become feckless.






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Vlad The Inhaler
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This is a "big fricking deal" to quote the words of our VEEP.

I spent many years as a Hill staffer. 95% of shite people say negatively about staffers is wrong or misleading. On top of that, the good people, the bright people overwhelmingly do it for the right reasons and could be making way, way more elsewhere.

However, Congress as an institution cannot change the rules for themselves. That's completely absurd and erodes whatever trust still remains. The issues they discuss (brain drain, etc.), which IMO are legit, are the same issues faced by every local and state govt employee, as well as those in the private sector.

Passing major broad-reaching legislation that affects nearly everyone is a big deal, and very few bills do that. The good NEEDS to be taken with the bad, and an exemption is simply unconscionable from a management POV as a public entity, forget the specific policy itself.

If this happens, this would be an absolute disgrace.



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Do as I say, not as I do

The most frustrating style of leadership every attempted. frick Washington






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Jbird
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However, Congress as an institution cannot change the rules for themselves.


They have passed legislation that they have exempted themselves from before.






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Vlad The Inhaler
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They have passed legislation that they have exempted themselves from before


I know. But not on this scale and not with something this broad reaching, and not to staff level.






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Jbird
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I know. But not on this scale and not with something this broad reaching, and not to staff level.


So is it the scope of the legislation that bothers you?






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TrueTiger
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I am actually quite surprised this wasn't in the bill to begin with.

Someone must have dropped the ball.



Well, you know they has to pass it in order find out what was in it (or not in it).






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Vlad The Inhaler
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So is it the scope of the legislation that bothers you?


I'm not defending exemptions, but if you want to try me, what specifically are you talking about?

But yes, the scope does bother me a great deal because it would, or should, erode any trust left in elected officials. Congressional staffers are not civil servants under the GS system, you can get fired for wearing a red shirt and it be justified. At the higher levels, it's a hyper competitive environment, much more than I've experienced personally in the private sector. Some are grossly overpaid, many are grossly underpaid. It’s employment like anywhere else from a management perspective.

This push is rooted in the fact (goes beyond the article) that the body is going to lose good people, and they can't handle it. As employers, they are facing the same challenges as everyone else, and abusing their power to not have to deal with that problem--one they literally created. That's disgraceful.



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ynlvr
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could lead to a “brain drain” on Capitol Hill,



Physically impossible, IMO.



Some funny shite here






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Jbird
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I'm not defending exemptions, but if you want to try me, what specifically are you talking about?


Not fricking with you, but it seems to me your statement made it sound like it was cool for them to exempt themselves from say ADA, but not cool to exempt themselves from Odramacare.

As far trust, news flash alot of us have zero trust.

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This push is rooted in the fact (goes beyond the article) that the body is going to lose good people, and they can't handle it. As employers, they are facing the same challenges and everyone else, and abusing their power to not have to deal with they problem that they literally created. That's disgraceful.


Well stated.






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SlowFlowPro
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and abusing their power to not have to deal with that problem--one they literally created. That's disgraceful.


there is one part of the article that is hilarious in this regard

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Yet Burr, a vocal Obamacare opponent, is also flat-out opposed to exempting Congress from the exchange provision.

“I have no problems with Congress being under the same guidelines,” Burr said. “I think if this is going to be a disaster — which I think it’s going to be — we ought to enjoy it together with our constituents.”







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Politiceaux
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Boehner has put the kibosh on this, FWIW.

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@SpeakerBoehner

The fact that Dem leaders want to opt themselves out of ObamaCare shows Sen Baucus isn’t only one who realizes it's a #trainwreck.


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@SpeakerBoehner

We're not sneaking any language into bills to solve Dems' #hcr problem. The solution to this & other ObamaCare nightmares is #fullrepeal.






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Vlad The Inhaler
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Not fricking with you, but it seems to me your statement made it sound like it was cool for them to exempt themselves from say ADA, but not cool to exempt themselves from Odramacare.


That's not what meant, it should never happen, but in the real world people with power tend to abuse it, and to some degree it's just expected. It shouldn't be, but it is.

Like I said, the scope of exempting Obamacare is complete managerial failure and a microcosm of what is happening in the real world, and should, under no circumstances be tolerated.


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As far trust, news flash alot of us have zero trust.


I know. Personally, I believe in the institution, but not those elected currently.


In terms of staffers, you're talking about non-partisan professionals who work in Legislative Council who have spend their careers drafting bills, and know way the frick more than members. Committee staff who whose entire lives have been in these specific policy areas despite who's in charge. That's a significant loss to the institution and cannot be replaced. Hill staffers are much more than just campaign lackys in their 20s.



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Jbird
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That's a significant loss to the institution and cannot be replaced. Hill staffers are much more than just campaign lackys in their 20s.


Fair enough, I hate to say this but IDGAF, in other words you are saying these farkers helped craft this POS bill. So as far as I am concerned they did a real bangup job and deserve their just rewards.






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Vlad The Inhaler
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Fair enough, I hate to say this but IDGAF, in other words you are saying these farkers helped craft this POS bill. So as far as I am concerned they did a real bangup job and deserve their just rewards.


I don't disagree and I don't feel sorry for them. I saw the writing on the wall and got the frick out years ago. It's a volatile job like coaching, etc. This is what happens. Like everywhere else, those with marketable skills will be fine. But, when you lose professional people, hopefully they will be replaced with other actual professionals. If not, things likely won't get better. The job of leg council specifically, is to craft whatever asinine idea they're presented with into something that is at least theoretically constitutional. Things will only get worse.

Like I said, beyond the irony, my big problem is Congress not being able to manage their shite and adapt to the managerial obstacles they forced down the throats of everyone else.






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SG_Geaux
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Well of course... Whats good for the people isn't good enough for them.

frick Washington, I wouldn't shed a tear if a sink hole opened up under the capitol.






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Jbird
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Things will only get worse.


Great we have something to look forward to.






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50Mullets
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Things will only get worse.

So it's cool for them to exempt themselves from shitty legislation because if they don't they might pass shitty legislation?






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