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re: German Shepherd questions
Posted on 3/8/13 at 8:30 pm to AHouseDivided
Posted on 3/8/13 at 8:30 pm to AHouseDivided
Just talked with the breeder. They dont guarantee allergies but they have never had a case of allergies to date
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Posted on 3/8/13 at 8:35 pm to Hammertime
I would think that on some level diet could be a factor. I just can't see the breeder guaranteeing the pup if displaysia was only a result of diet.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 8:45 pm to MSWebfoot
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I just can't see the breeder guaranteeing the pup if displaysia was only a result of diet.
Me either because alot of unresponsible people get a dog and fail to properly care for it.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 9:19 pm to Wooly
Feed him/her a raw diet and you should have no issues at all.
Commercial Kibble wasn't around till the 70s I belive and it isn't healthy for your dog.
Commercial Kibble wasn't around till the 70s I belive and it isn't healthy for your dog.
This post was edited on 3/8/13 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 3/8/13 at 9:41 pm to Wooly
Haven't read all this thread cause some of the responses make my head hurt.
Are bad hips genetics or diet? The right answer is both. Puppies being xrayed for good hips is kind of stupid. While you may see shallow joints, it really doesn't mean they will have hip dysplasia. Now if that puppy is fed the wrong diet and gets over weight, then it greatly increases their chances. I have never seen anyone say they will pay for surgery to fix a dog's hips. That shite gets crazy expensive. Both parents certified, good diet and proper care plus a hip guarantee all bode well, but nothing is 100%.
Are bad hips genetics or diet? The right answer is both. Puppies being xrayed for good hips is kind of stupid. While you may see shallow joints, it really doesn't mean they will have hip dysplasia. Now if that puppy is fed the wrong diet and gets over weight, then it greatly increases their chances. I have never seen anyone say they will pay for surgery to fix a dog's hips. That shite gets crazy expensive. Both parents certified, good diet and proper care plus a hip guarantee all bode well, but nothing is 100%.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 9:42 pm to Wooly
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They dont guarantee allergies but they have never had a case of allergies to date
They are lying, but I have never heard anyone guarantee against allergies. Not that big a deal, really.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 9:48 pm to BuckeyeFan87
I have been giving my dog Evo and Orijen. Pretty much as close to raw food as possible
Posted on 3/8/13 at 9:55 pm to BuckeyeFan87
That is the worst information I have ever heard on here. 
What do you base that opinion on? Domestic dog's digestive tracts have been domesticated along with the rest of their anatomy. Raw diets are not good for them.
What do you base that opinion on? Domestic dog's digestive tracts have been domesticated along with the rest of their anatomy. Raw diets are not good for them.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 10:03 pm to INFIDEL
bullshite.
My wheaten had terrible Skin allergies on every kibble diet I had her on.
Raw meat? Not a single problem.
You cant beat nature, sorry.
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You can't truly research raw diets in dogs and be against the information you learn in the same manner that you can't read information on raw diets/micronutrients in humans and feel that our current, processed diets are healthier.
My wheaten had terrible Skin allergies on every kibble diet I had her on.
Raw meat? Not a single problem.
You cant beat nature, sorry.
:eta:
You can't truly research raw diets in dogs and be against the information you learn in the same manner that you can't read information on raw diets/micronutrients in humans and feel that our current, processed diets are healthier.
This post was edited on 3/8/13 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 3/8/13 at 10:08 pm to INFIDEL
I'd also be intrigued to know if you're a vet? And if so, how much nutritional training you received in school? And, was that training promoted and paid for by Science Diet/Purina?
Posted on 3/8/13 at 10:21 pm to BuckeyeFan87
I'm a vet and science diet hasn't paid me a god damn cent for my loans and that's what I feed my dog. The reason for that is hills has been around since 1890 and is the most researched and studied food on the market so your 1970's info is wrong. As for hip dysplasia it is completely hereditary though having 2 parents with good hips doesn't guarantee pup will. You can fully assess hips till done growing and that's where poor diet plays a role and may exaggerate hip dysplasia but does not cause it. As for allergies I have seen dogs allergic to chicken have allergies from raw diet. Dogs can be allergic to all kinds of proteins.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 10:34 pm to LSUVET82
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I'm a vet and science diet hasn't paid me a god damn cent for my loans and that's what I feed my dog.
When was this ever stated or insinuated?
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The reason for that is hills has been around since 1890 and is the most researched and studied food on the market so your 1970's info is wrong
You may have me here as I don't know a lot about commercial dog food, but I am talking about commercial, mass produced food, not a random few cases of people developing their own canine food. Obviously dogs can survive and in some cases thrive on this stuff, but as much as a raw diet? No.
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While the controversy continued on dog nutrition, new forms of packaged dog foods were appearing on the market. The depression in the 1930’s also prompted dog owners to look for less expensive methods to feed their pets. Less raw meat was fed, and more grains and cereal products were introduced in home diets. Canned meat products were introduced in the 1940’s and in 1943, dehydrated dog food was introduced, with the instructions of ‘just add water’.
Dog food was only invented to create cheaper, easier means to feed.
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The sales of dry processed dog foods picked up considerably after World War II. Mill operators and grain dealers were finding a good source for their by-products in the dog industry. Slaughterhouses were also available to sell non-human grade, diseased meats, unusable parts, and meat by-products to pet food manufacturers. This created a market for products that previously had been discarded. Since many of these meat sources were non-human grade, the practice became common to mix these with the grains and cook them together for many hours or days to kill bacteria and disease. The final mix was then formed into pellets that were easily bagged for convenience of feeding.
Sounds delicious. And natural. And healthy as shite.
You're right, dogs are nothing like their wild peers.
Too far removed.
This post was edited on 3/8/13 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 3/8/13 at 11:09 pm to LSUVET82
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I'm a vet and science diet hasn't paid me a god damn cent for my loans and that's what I feed my dog. The reason for that is hills has been around since 1890 and is the most researched and studied food on the market so your 1970's info is wrong. As for hip dysplasia it is completely hereditary though having 2 parents with good hips doesn't guarantee pup will. You can fully assess hips till done growing and that's where poor diet plays a role and may exaggerate hip dysplasia but does not cause it. As for allergies I have seen dogs allergic to chicken have allergies from raw diet. Dogs can be allergic to all kinds of proteins.
And there you go. I'm not a vet. I was vet tech before I got into human medicine. While our domestic dogs might look and act like their wild cousins, they are VERY far removed. If you have a puppy that is already genetically predisposed to hip dysplasia the worse thing you can do is feed them a high diet of raw protein and pack weight on them. Accelerating their growth will only worsen the problems they already are predisposed to having.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 11:23 pm to INFIDEL
How far removed can they be if they can freely procreate?
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Canid hybrids are the result of interbreeding between two different members of the canine (dog) family (Canidae). The wolf (including the dingo), coyote, jackal, and domestic dog all have 78 chromosomes arranged in 39 pairs.
This allows them to hybridise freely (barring size or behavioural constraints) and produce fertile offspring.
The wolf, coyote, and golden jackal diverged around 3 to 4 million years ago.
Other members of the dog family diverged 7 to 10 million years ago and are less closely related and cannot hybridise with the wolf-like canids: the yellow Jackal has 74 chromosomes, the red fox has 38 chromosomes, the raccoon dog has 42 chromosomes, and the Fennec fox has 64 chromosomes.
Although the African Wild Dog has 78 chromosomes, it is considered distinct enough to be placed in its own genus.
This post was edited on 3/8/13 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 3/8/13 at 11:26 pm to BuckeyeFan87
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BuckeyeFan87
So...you are arguing with a Vet now?
Have you broken down the nutritional needs and vitamin/mineral needs for your pet? Do you know which foods to use? I am curious to know what your ideal diet consists of.
I have read about the raw diets out there and concluded that a premium food was safer and better for my puppy than raw food. I was not CERTAIN that I would be able to balance the Protein/Fat content or the vitamin/mineral balance for her. Calcium is also a huge issue in raw diets. So, I hope you take that into consideration as well.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 11:40 pm to NimbleCat
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So...you are arguing with a Vet now?
On this topic, yes, 100%
I just feed my dogs how nature intended. I actually do give some Blue Buffalo from time to time, because I don't fully trust the meat they currently eat(store bought, I eventually plan to raise a lot of their food on my own), but as stated, my wheaten has never been healthier. Both she and my corgi no longer smell like "dog." Both poop so much less now as opposed to the fricking logs they used to shoot out at least twice a day. And both are a lot more energetic since I've switched them over.
My Corgi also seems to shed a lot less(though its still a lot).
Posted on 3/8/13 at 11:52 pm to BuckeyeFan87
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So...you are arguing with a Vet now?
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On this topic, yes, 100%
While I don't agree with you, I gotta give you credit for having a position/opinion and sticking to it.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:39 am to AHouseDivided
We are the world
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:56 am to greasemonkey
Getting back to the guarantee question, I am a breeder of Labs. My guarantee is for 30 months and states that if the dog develops hip, eye or several other problems I will give half of your money back.
Hips are certified after 24 months of age.
Hips are certified after 24 months of age.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 8:41 am to Wooly
They ask you to return your dog and they give you a new puppy from a new litter. I have a GSD and they are great dogs but sometimes hip dysplasia is an issue with ALL German breeds, rotties, Dobies, boxers and reisenscnauzers all have dysplasia issues. A lot of people I know that have dealt with it end up keeping the dog because of the bond that's built and a lot of dysplasia issues is wear and tear that people put their dogs through.
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