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re: Southern Eagle Purchasing Glazer's Beer Portfolio
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:46 pm to AnonymousTiger
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:46 pm to AnonymousTiger
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Glad I could help. But seriously, we have facts showing how the system operated prior to the three-tier system and facts showing how it has worked since.
There are obviously numerous other factors that have come into play over the years too, but you sholdn't just ignore the data we have from pre and post prohibition.
lol, yes we should.
18th amendment...Prohibition
The 19th was allowing freaking WOMEN to VOTE.
shite has changed since then.
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Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:52 pm to s14suspense
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18th amendment...Prohibition
The 19th was allowing freaking WOMEN to VOTE.
shite has changed since then.
We've even since organized this neat little sporting event called the Super Bowl.
And Al Gore have given us the internet.
This post was edited on 2/7/13 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:54 pm to RedHawk
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but the three tier system absolutely has helped concentrate the production of beer to a few BIG breweries.
Free market capitalism naturally leads to monopolies and concentration of production (in cycles at least), so you could just as easily say this is a result of the free market as you could blame it on the regulations.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:55 pm to s14suspense
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18th amendment...Prohibition
The 19th was allowing freaking WOMEN to VOTE.
Man, two complete stinkers in a row.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:57 pm to LSUBoo
The 19th was allowing freaking WOMEN to VOTE
21st amendment...end of prohibition
Our mistake led us back to the bottle.
21st amendment...end of prohibition
Our mistake led us back to the bottle.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:57 pm to LSUBoo
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Man, two complete stinkers in a row.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:04 pm to AnonymousTiger
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consignment sales, etc, etc, etc.
Beer sales in Louisiana are C.O.D.
As long as that regulation is there it would stop the most efficient way of Big Beer boxing out choice, "here pay us when you sell it."
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:10 pm to AnonymousTiger
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California uses the three-tier system (state controlled).
California's 3-tier system is very different from Louisiana's. In fact, with the ability for Breweries to both self-distribute and sell at retail, it isn't really 3-tier at all. They have licenses for breweries, distributors and retailers, but not much keeping them seperated or independent.
A strict 3-tier system like Louisiana has has resulted in fewer choices, fewer small breweries, and lower quality beer available to the consumer.
It's really not a true 3-tier system in Cali or any other state that allows breweries to both self-distribute or sell at retail.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:13 pm to s14suspense
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Is that White labs little brewery thing they've got going on?
I think so. My Cousin went and was really a little disappointed in the variety, but he said what they did have was pretty interesting
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:22 pm to AnonymousTiger
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Free market capitalism naturally leads to monopolies and concentration of production (in cycles at least), so you could just as easily say this is a result of the free market as you could blame it on the regulations.
But you said to look at the stats both pre and post prohibition. Those stats don't back up your argument at all and only hurt your argument.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:33 pm to AnonymousTiger
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Because Mockler is the budweiser distributor in their area. They also carry some other beers too, but if you want bud in thier market then you get it from them. But you're missing the point. The system provides safe guards from tied-houses and encourages competition. Bars, restaurants, grocery stores, etc. are not incentived to exclusively carry one product unless the market dictates they should (which it wouldn't).
See, that's bullshite. In theory, Mockler is an independent distributor. But they are far from it. You gave an earlier example about bars getting setup from AB-InBev and becoming a tied-house. This is exactly what InBev has done to the distributors. You think Mockler pays for those big trucks with Budweiser on the side? Or that nice new facility they have? Hell no.
I'm not saying there isn't a need for distributors. But that doesn't mean that craft brewers shouldn't be able to sell their product directly to the public either.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 1:42 pm to Oenophile Brah
We need a craft beer lover to be Gov. Once that happens, this whole shite show collapses.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:01 pm to Solo
I'm stuck on how stores only selling Bud would be a problem. So hypothetically Bud wants to take over the Circle K on the corner and only sell InBev products. Why couldn't a local business man open up a shop across the street that only sold craft breweries? Or SABMiller pay the Seven 11 to only sell Miller? It only seems to be a problem if people want to sell out (Calandro's bailing on its craft beer model) or a problem for SABMiller bc Bud would cut it out of the market.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:29 pm to Fratastic423
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I'm stuck on how stores only selling Bud would be a problem. So hypothetically Bud wants to take over the Circle K on the corner and only sell InBev products. Why couldn't a local business man open up a shop across the street that only sold craft breweries?
Eh, I don't know.
Is that kind of like a pepsi/coke thing and how depending on what region you are in or what brand store you're at is what kind of soft drink you're going to get?
That kind of sucks.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:45 pm to s14suspense
That's what we have with craft beer now. The avenue pub cannot get one keg of new Belgium due to distribution laws and rules. I think it makes it easier for specialized places to get special beer.
I think there are obviously good and bad things about the system
I think there are obviously good and bad things about the system
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:50 pm to s14suspense
all I want is the choice. If a guy wants to sell nothing but craft, he shouldn't have to fill up his shelves with BMC products also, because that's who pays his distributer
It is absolutely absurd that a company cannot make a product and sell it directly to the public, ESPECIALLY when very similar industries can
Its partly the backwards, prohibitionist public that wants to keep demon alcohol as taxed and restricted as possible, ans it's partly the huge money lobbyist for BMC and their distribution networks keeping the politicians paid off that prevents craft beer from being on equal footing with the wine industry (and apparently now liquor in Louisiana, too)
It is absolutely absurd that a company cannot make a product and sell it directly to the public, ESPECIALLY when very similar industries can
Its partly the backwards, prohibitionist public that wants to keep demon alcohol as taxed and restricted as possible, ans it's partly the huge money lobbyist for BMC and their distribution networks keeping the politicians paid off that prevents craft beer from being on equal footing with the wine industry (and apparently now liquor in Louisiana, too)
This post was edited on 2/7/13 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:52 pm to LoneStarTiger
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all I want is the choice. If a guy wants to sell nothing but craft, he shouldn't have to fill up his shelves with BMC products also, because that's who pays his distributer
It is absolutely absurd that a company cannot make a product and sell it directly to the public, ESPECIALLY when very similar industries can
Its partly the backwards, prohibitionist public that wants to keep demon alcohol as taxed and restricted as possible, ans it's partly the huge money lobbyist for BMC and their distribution networks keeping the politicians paid off that prevents craft beer from being on equal footing with the wine industry (and apparently now liquor in Louisiana, too)
Bingo.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 2:57 pm to LoneStarTiger
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it's partly the huge money lobbyist for BMC and their distribution networks keeping the politicians paid
Schilling Distributors
Posted on 2/20/13 at 6:22 pm to TypoKnig
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Southern Eagle in the New Orleans Metro and Champagne on the Northshore share ownership of Mockler.
This is incorrect. Champagne and Mockler share ownership of Southern Eagle.
Posted on 2/20/13 at 6:42 pm to Dac311
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I can say that many of you are wrong in many accounts. I work for a beer distributor and need to clarify some things.
1. No one has to buy any specific products from anyone in order to get another product. Go to wholefoods, see any of the big 3 on their shelves? Maybe some specialized brews. But for the most part, no. Craft beer is much more profitable than the big 3, at least margin wise.
2. The major beer brand does pay for something. But do you think they pay for the delivery trucks and warehouses? That is wrong. They may pay for the wrap that goes on the outside of the truck, or signs on the buildings. Some of it, anyway. But they do not pay for the vehicles or facilities.
3. Having a sales person who is responsible for one of your bigger selling items, come in and make a pitch for a store to sell a craft beer makes it more likely you will carry the product. If some new guy you don't know comes in, you won't give them the time of day. These sales people are incentivized to get these new products in, so they work to get them into sets.
4. New Belgium had all the major distributors in a fight to see who could distribute their beer here. It wasn't not available in Louisiana because they couldn't sell it to people. It was not in Louisiana because New Belgium didn't want to be in Louisiana yet.
1. No one has to buy any specific products from anyone in order to get another product. Go to wholefoods, see any of the big 3 on their shelves? Maybe some specialized brews. But for the most part, no. Craft beer is much more profitable than the big 3, at least margin wise.
2. The major beer brand does pay for something. But do you think they pay for the delivery trucks and warehouses? That is wrong. They may pay for the wrap that goes on the outside of the truck, or signs on the buildings. Some of it, anyway. But they do not pay for the vehicles or facilities.
3. Having a sales person who is responsible for one of your bigger selling items, come in and make a pitch for a store to sell a craft beer makes it more likely you will carry the product. If some new guy you don't know comes in, you won't give them the time of day. These sales people are incentivized to get these new products in, so they work to get them into sets.
4. New Belgium had all the major distributors in a fight to see who could distribute their beer here. It wasn't not available in Louisiana because they couldn't sell it to people. It was not in Louisiana because New Belgium didn't want to be in Louisiana yet.
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