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doubleb
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re: The media played up the Arab Spring as another Obama coup,


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From wikipedia here is a list of some of the terrorist attacks against the US after 9/11


Respect doesn't equate to stopping all terrorism, respect means you fear consequences for your actions.

I think W proved he'd deal with terrorists as best he could and in short order.

I don't think Obama sends the same message especially after what happened in Libya and after the way he went around the world apologizing for US "arrogance".

Your list stopped in 2008, what has been going on since then?






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cwill
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re: The media played up the Arab Spring as another Obama coup,


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Are you calling Obama a genius or me


Neither - it was sarcastic.

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in a poor debate skill to downgrade?


What?

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The people are now rebelling against Obama and Morsi.


Obama, too? Really?

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Morsi is a radical terrorist.


Terrorist? In what regard?

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The radical terrorist leader Morsi was presented to us as a man of peace.


Again? Really? He wasn't trotted out as the leader he was elected by a largely, very muslim electorate.

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Obamas plan of an arab spring is a farce. There are no if's ands or buts about it.


Well, you imagine this was his plan, that he engineered the arab spring...you should read up on its roots.

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Mid East peace is not inflaming and surrounding Israel with terrorists.


Why is Israel at the center of our ME policy in your view? How has that advanced our national interests?

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Mubarack was in place and diplomatically paid well to NOT do what Morsi did.


What did Mubarak not do that Morsi has done?

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The US has failed miserably in the mideast.


FIFY....look, I get it, you hate Obama to the point that you lack objectivity.






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cwill
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re: The media played up the Arab Spring as another Obama coup,


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The OP of this thread is obviously not the incoherent one. You are.


I'm made of rubber, you're made of glue...yada, yada, yada. Grow up.






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Alltheway Tigers!
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re: The media played up the Arab Spring as another Obama coup,




This is what you get with a on the job training program for the President and Sec of State.






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Paluka
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The Israelis are allied with us. That has been the case for decades. We promised to be on their side and we've had influence inside their govt. for decades.
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How has this relationship, this "alliance" benefited the US? It has been a millstone around our neck and made us a target, nothing more.

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Do you believe we would not be a target if Israel were not our ally?






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doubleb
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re: The media played up the Arab Spring as another Obama coup,


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The Israelis are allied with us. That has been the case for decades. We promised to be on their side and we've had influence inside their govt. for decades. -------------------------------------------------- How has this relationship, this "alliance" benefited the US? It has been a millstone around our neck and made us a target, nothing more. -------------------------------------------------- Do you believe we would not be a target if Israel were not our ally?


If we aren't going honor our alliance with Israel, then that's a decision we need to make, but you are either all in or you're not.

And yes, if we weren't allied with the Israelis, we'd still be attacked by the Islamist who see us as the great satan.






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cwill
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Do you believe we would not be a target if Israel were not our ally?


If we had not facilitated the creation of Israel we would not have the problems we'd have today. Biggest foreign policy blunder in US history.






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cwill
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And yes, if we weren't allied with the Israelis, we'd still be attacked by the Islamist who see us as the great satan.


We are the great satan primarily because we support Israel.






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nobodytooimportant
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We are the great satan primarily because we support Israel.


To be fair only the Iranians really use great satan anymore and some of that is due to us supporting the former dictator. Of course some of these geniuses have argued that we should continue supporting dictators in the middle east.






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cwill
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re: The media played up the Arab Spring as another Obama coup,


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To be fair only the Iranians really use great satan anymore and some of that is due to us supporting the former dictator. Of course some of these geniuses have argued that we should continue supporting dictators in the middle east.


True, but I was responding to doubleb's general use. You should also note that Iran is very involved in the arab-israeli conflict through its support of Hezbollah.






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doubleb
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We are the great satan primarily because we support Israel.


In the eyes of the Islamists we are the great Satan because we are the most powerful nation in the world and we aren't Islamists.

Israel is a cancer inside their body due to geography. We are outside their body, but we aren't going to escape unharmed if we cut Israel loose.

If you believe that you are as mistaken as the Brits were under Chamberlain when they gave up the Sudetenland to the Germans.







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nobodytooimportant
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re: The media played up the Arab Spring as another Obama coup,


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You should also note that Iran is very involved in the arab-israeli conflict through its support of Hezbollah.


Absolutely this true. One thing that I don't think many American's realize is that primary reason many Arab's country support the Palestinians against Israel isn't that they hate the Jews (I am talking about the government not the street) or even care that much about the Palestinians, it is primarily a good pressure relief valve for their domestic audiences. If you get everyone fired up about the Israel issue, they won't care as much about your failings as a leader or oppression.

I think the only way any sort of deal will ever get done is if more of the autocratic Arab regimes are removed and the issue fades in importance for countries outside of Israel's immediate neighbors.






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Poodlebrain
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re: The media played up the Arab Spring as another Obama coup,


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Is his ineptness any worse than the policies of Bush that cost us more money and lives and also left us weaker and without respect.
Yes. If nothing else he had the example of Bush to avoid. He doubled down on Bush's policies with respect to Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Our Middle East policy has sucked since the end of the Cold War. Clinton, Bush and Obama have all screwed the pooch.
Why start there? Didn't we screw up when we allowed the French and British their Mandates in the Levant at the end of WWI? It's Woodrow Wilson's fault we had zero influence in the Middle East between wars when the seeds of the current conflicts were sown.

Are you saying that backing the Israelis in 1973 didn't suck? It happened before the end of the Cold War.







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Paluka
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If we had not facilitated the creation of Israel we would not have the problems we'd have today. Biggest foreign policy blunder in US history.


There is no way to prove or disprove this assertion. We will never know because what has been done is what we have.

I believe that we will always be a target as long as we are the most diverse, powerful and wealthy
country in the world. Therefore, we've got about 2-3 more years of being hated.






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doubleb
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I believe that we will always be a target as long as we are the most diverse, powerful and wealthy country in the world. Therefore, we've got about 2-3 more years of being hated.


What country isn't a target?






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Paluka
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What country isn't a target?


True.






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