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re: Electric cars save gas. Don't ask how long the tires last....

Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:51 am to
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:51 am to
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I can’t imagine anyone on this board gives a single frick about their tires wearing 20% faster than they otherwise would.


Wait, what?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
72895 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:57 am to
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Let's rail against a product because of the actions of government officials. Seems like a real high IQ take


Wait what?

So we can’t say pros and cons if any product now?

fricking cult.
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3551 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:12 am to
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The article I saw says due to weight EV tires should wear about 20% faster


This is the explanation most often cited. EVs are substantially heavier than ICE cars.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
33368 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:33 am to
It's a good thing tires are completely green.
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
51488 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:36 am to
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
13958 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:38 am to
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EVs are substantially heavier than ICE cars.

The cars aren't They're marginally heavier. a Model 3 is about the same weight as a BMW 3 series.

The trucks are a different a story.
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
9977 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:40 am to
Rubber...made possible by oil/petro. And EVs are using them at an alarming rate.

What a disaster.

And now you're getting full sized electrics. What kind of a-hole drives an EV Hummer?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
13958 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:45 am to
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What kind of a-hole drives an EV Hummer?

5'6" Personal Injury attorney who has a tribal tat and way too many Affliction shirts.
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3551 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:49 am to
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he cars aren't They're marginally heavier.


Depends on the battery.

Long range model 3s are 500 pounds heavier than standard range.

Industrywide, EVs (sedans) on average are 30% heavier than ICE cars.

This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 8:51 am
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
13958 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:52 am to
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Industrywide, EVs (sedans) on average are 30% heavier than ICE cars.

On average compared to comparable cars in its class i agree. A lot of camrys and corollas in that. But i just think it's funny we never see anyone complain about a 3 series eating up tires the way a model 3 would and they weigh basically the same thing.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
13573 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:54 am to
Tire manufacturers will sort this out with testing of different rubber compounds and sound suppression.

Why aren’t tires filled with foam anyway? Air seems like a very fragile and antiquated method of filling tires.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
13958 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:55 am to
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Why aren’t tires filled with foam anyway?

You wouldn't want to ride in that vehicle.

Foam tires are great for forklifts and tractors. Thats about it.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
28613 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:56 am to
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Depends on the battery. Long range model 3s are 500 pounds heavier than standard range. Industrywide, EVs (sedans) on average are 30% heavier than ICE cars.


SUVs and trucks weigh 1000-2000lbs more than my car does. Weird that I’ve never heard anyone crying about that weight discrepancy.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
13573 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:00 am to
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You wouldn't want to ride in that vehicle.


What’s so bad about it?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
13958 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:02 am to
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What’s so bad about it?

It basically makes the tires solid. You'd end up in the ditch in short order bouncing your way down any road in Louisiana.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
4308 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:20 am to
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The weight kills the tires. His Pacifica every 3..4 years but that tesla x eats them.



Pacifica. 4883

X. 5248

The one thing I hate almost as much as a pedophile is a liar


You want his address to discuss the particulars?


ETA
6000 lb X

But I do like how you used the high end weight of a Pacifica ( which i see ranging from4200 to 4800 but the low end weight of an X..5100 to 5500 (but with plenty of content advising that it's north of 6000 for tax credits
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 9:37 am
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3551 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:27 am to
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On average compared to comparable cars in its class i agree. A lot of camrys and corollas in that. But i just think it's funny we never see anyone complain about a 3 series eating up tires the way a model 3 would and they weigh basically the same thing.



Maybe it has to do with weight distribution and/or how the car is driven. I'm not knowledgeable as to why.

We are considering getting an EV as a second car, mainly for about town usage, and this issue has come up often when doing my research. Generally, the explanations I've seen say the weight of the vehicles increase tire wear.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
13958 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:35 am to
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Maybe it has to do with weight distribution and/or how the car is driven. I'm not knowledgeable as to why.

Data i'm seeing is that the wear is slightly elevated (~5%) over similarly weight vehicles. For example Model 3 vs 3 series or C class and obviously higher for similar vehicle class but lower weight models. That tells me we still have 5% thats not accounted for by weight. That seems to be the torque wear factor, which is the wrong way to look at it because it's actually just sidewall deterioration thats impacting the load on the tread.
quote:

We are considering getting an EV as a second car, mainly for about town usage, and this issue has come up often when doing my research. Generally, the explanations I've seen say the weight of the vehicles increase tire wear.

They're solid around town cars. I didn't think much of it when my wife wanted a Model 3. We'll save enough from fuel, oil changes and brake jobs to offset a little extra tire wear. Also, i can't be holier than thou on this, i can't get 5k miles out of a set of GTR tires.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
13958 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:38 am to
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ETA
6000 lb X

But I do like how you used the high end weight of a Pacifica ( which i see ranging from4200 to 4800 but the low end weight of an X..5100 to 5500 (but with plenty of content advising that it's north of 6000 for tax credits

That tax credit is for GVWR not curb weight. They're different.
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3551 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:50 am to
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They're solid around town cars. I didn't think much of it when my wife wanted a Model 3. We'll save enough from fuel, oil changes and brake jobs to offset a little extra tire wear.


This is good to know, I've been on the fence as to whether we should do this.

Does it cost more to insure your Tesla comparatively to your other vehicles?
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