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re: The $600 reporting threshold is now required by the IRS. Ticket resellers are not happy!!

Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:48 pm to
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29827 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:48 pm to
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This isn't only for transactions over $600. It is for ALL transactions over the course of the tax year if those transactions, combined, total more than $600.
Which is even worse.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21888 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 11:57 pm to
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Good, pay your fricking taxes.


33 trillion in debt...
Posted by bigblake
Member since Jun 2011
2502 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:08 am to
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What if you buy a bike for $5000 and sell it for $2000, but don't have the receipt to prove your cost basis? Do you have to keep every receipt you get?


This^^ is why the new reporting will be annoying. Now substitute a single bike with selling your ps5 + games on eBay for $700
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
55108 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:31 am to
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You have no issue with the government monitoring every transaction worth 600 bucks?


Thank Ronald Regan

It started with him and the 10,000 reporting act. Ronnie used his "war on drugs" as the excuse to invades peoples privacy (basically accused you of being a drug dealer if you paid cash) . Been going downhill since. Patriot Act under Bush did even more damage and your financial institutions reported a lower threshold down to about 1,000. They have been pushing for this 600 crap for at least 20 years or so and it has lees to do with the money as getting into peoples lives.

Just now with more powerful computers and better software they can crunch lower and lower levels of personal invasion. Foolish to blame either party as it was your inaction over decades that has allowed it by you not doing anything for so long.
Posted by bigblake
Member since Jun 2011
2502 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:00 am to
Here’s a difficult example that hits close to home.

LSU season tickets with mandatory donation.
I sell Alabama matchup for $1200 (300 each) but I attend the mcneese st game (don’t sell).

Can I claim the mandatory donation as an expense (to count against the gain from the Alabama sale), and if so, is the donation weighting for the mcneese state game count the same as the Alabama game?

Not looking for an actual answer, but this is a fairly complex scenario that many people would now be subject to.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 3:31 am
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26020 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:02 am to
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Also, if someone sells their used car, if they have to claim income on the sale, shouldn't they also be allowed to claim full depreciation to offset that?


You are looking at it incorrectly depreciation isn't part of the equation at least directly. If you sold the car for less than you paid you have no profit and owe no taxes. You can also deduct any cost of selling the car from your basis.

So if you bought the car for 20,000 and sold it for 20,500 and paid eBay $600 in fees to sell the car you owe no taxes.

If you bought a car for 20,000 and sold it for 25,000 with no associated fees you have $5,000 in profit and that profit is income you have to declare and pay taxes on.

If you get paid through one of the payment services that have to report at the new threshold you will receive a 1099-K from them that reports the income (you will probably have to download it). This information is shared with the IRS. In the past, you would need to file a Schedule C and possibly other schedules with your 1040. I do not know if the IRS is adding a schedule or form specifically to address all the people needing to deal with this and do not need to file a Schedule C.

I think this is silly overall because the amount of revenue it will produce is a drop in the bucket, will turn a lot of people into accidental tax cheats and will complicate a lot of people's otherwise simple taxes. Our taxes are already complex so it isn't much if any issue for us but for a lot it will significantly change their otherwise very simple taxes.

I have no issue with closing loopholes but the amount of revenue generated for the amount of trouble on both ends is juice not worth the squeeze IMO.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
4447 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 5:55 am to
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Good, pay your fricking taxes.


Heil to Biden and lick some boots while you're at it.

What a cuck.
Posted by Pierre
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
5290 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:02 am to
If my tickets cost $3000 and I sell 2 for 600 do I have to pay taxes on the sell? I’m already taxed on the $3000 correct?

Can I deduct the $3000-$600 and take the $2400 deduction lol?
Posted by bigblake
Member since Jun 2011
2502 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:08 am to
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Can I deduct the $3000-$600 and take the $2400 deduction lol?


Only if you have a business. As an individual no, as a business yes.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22450 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:33 am to
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Good, pay your fricking taxes.



If you think this could never happen in the U.S., you're really naive. Dust off the picture you took of the country on JAN20, 2021 and have another look.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32486 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:59 am to
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Yes, they do. They're required to. If you meant some sort of bill pay via mail through your bank, they send it too.


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LemmyLives
Yo - Lemmy - did you do the research as to why the $600 law does not apply to Zelle (or that's their claim)? I could send you the link - but won't.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
5677 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:10 am to
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Are you paying an individual? There should be an option for “payment between friends”


I'll check next time I pay and see what they do
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127102 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:26 am to
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LSU season tickets with mandatory donation.
I sell Alabama matchup for $1200 (300 each) but I attend the mcneese st game (don’t sell).

Can I claim the mandatory donation as an expense (to count against the gain from the Alabama sale), and if so, is the donation weighting for the mcneese state game count the same as the Alabama game?
Intuit, the company that makes TurboTax software (which I use to prepare my personal tax return), says on its website that as of March, 2023 there has been no IRS guidance on including required "donations" in order to buy a sporting event ticket in the cost basis of the ticket for tax reporting purposes.

As for me, I plan on prorating the "Tradition Fund" donation LSU requires in order to buy baseball season tickets in the cost basis of the tickets I sold this past season unless the IRS issues a guideline prohibiting it before next tax season.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 8:39 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127102 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:49 am to
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Mom #1 can show her cost basis for acquiring the tickets as $2,200 on IRS Form 8949 "Sales and Other Dispositions of Capital Assets" which would bring her taxable income on the ticket sales to $0.00. She would owe no taxes on the transactions.


why should mom 1 have deal with the hassle of that?
She only has to do it if she wants to comply with current tax regulations. Maybe that's not a good reason to do it but it is what it is.

To quote Tony Soprano, "Whatcha' gonna do?"
Posted by bigblake
Member since Jun 2011
2502 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 9:02 am to
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5) Eveyr single transation that is "now taxable" was 100 percent taxable in the past, now, it's just being snitched on.


The tax implications don't bother me, it's the reporting. I imagine only a very small fraction of poeple with greater than $600 revenue on ebay (and others) have taxable gains, but now everyone has to provide documentation to demonstrate that. $600 is a very low cumulative threshold and I believe it was previously $20,000. I could support something like $5,000 or $10,000, that way you aren't snagging someone selling their old electronics on ebay.

In effect, selling a used iphone 14 pro max will generate the 1099, then anything else sold on ebay within that year, even if for $14, will need to have the original price documentation to show whether there was a gain on the $14.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
6471 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 10:06 am to
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I could support something like $5,000 or $10,000, that way you aren't snagging someone selling their old electronics on ebay.


Since the 1099 is based on gross receipts I think it should be far higher. What is the number of taxable it is worthwhile to chase? To me $100,000 seems about right. With a typical profit margin of 7% taxable income would be $7,000.

Alternatively, just get rid of income tax, slap a national sales tax on, and all this is moot.

Posted by MStant1
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
4537 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 10:06 am to
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Thank Ronald Regan

It started with him and the 10,000 reporting act. Ronnie used his "war on drugs" as the excuse to invades peoples privacy (basically accused you of being a drug dealer if you paid cash) .


CTRs started in 1972, so that would be Nixon not Reagan.


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Been going downhill since. Patriot Act under Bush did even more damage and your financial institutions reported a lower threshold down to about 1,000.


The USA PATRIOT Act did indeed expand the requirements of the Bank Secrecy Act; however, there are no specific reporting thresholds required by banks at the $1,000. There are record retention requirements at $3,000 for funds transfers (e.g., wires) and purchase and sale of monetary instruments (e.g., money orders, traveler's checks, etc.) but these are not reporting requirements. The suspicious activity reporting threshold begins at $5,000. Banks can choose to report suspicious activity that is under the $5,000 threshold, but those are voluntary in nature.

Cash Reporting still remains at greater than $10,000 (which is separate from the SAR requirements).

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Just now with more powerful computers and better software they can crunch lower and lower levels of personal invasion. Foolish to blame either party as it was your inaction over decades that has allowed it by you not doing anything for so long.



Financial institutions have been using transaction monitoring software for at least 15 years now, done for the purposes of identifying financial crimes and terrorist financing.
Posted by bigblake
Member since Jun 2011
2502 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 10:54 am to
My guess is it’s to catch contractors that have historically dealt in cash (without invoice) and professional and semiprofessional ticket resellers.

I can understand them wanting to lower it from $20,000, but $600 is on the other end of the extreme.

I think $90,000 is too high as much of this will be automated and they could be losing out on $10,000+ per filer at that high level.
Posted by Dday63
Member since Sep 2014
2324 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:22 am to
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It was expected. I just wonder how they will look at my wife and I. We each have our own banking accounts and regularly send money to each other using Zelle for bills, college expenses, etc.


The reporting rule only applies to transactions,not reimbursements or gifts. There is a chance Zelle would send you a 1099-K, but you wouldn't owe taxes on it.

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Also, if someone sells their used car, if they have to claim income on the sale, shouldn't they also be allowed to claim full depreciation to offset that?


If someone sells their used car and receives the money via third party, online source, that would trigger you receiving a 1099-K. You would just need to list your cost basis in the vehicle and then be taxed on any capital gains.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
4447 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:21 pm to
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If my tickets cost $3000 and I sell 2 for 600 do I have to pay taxes on the sell? I’m already taxed on the $3000 correct?

Can I deduct the $3000-$600 and take the $2400 deduction lol?


I'm not an accountant, but this is also my understanding:
quote:

Only if you have a business. As an individual no, as a business yes.


So if the IRS wants to play this game, play it.

Form an LLC and deduct not just the cost of the tickets, but the cost of forming the LLC and any costs related to having it, like your accountant's bill for doing your corporate taxes, your cell phone bill, your internet bill, deduct your computer, a portion of your rent or mortgage since you work this business from home, your gas and/or mileage (I think you have to pick one or the other) on any trips related to tickets and events, tailgate supplies (after all, your tailgaters are your potential customers)...basically any and all expenses you can possibly relate to buying and selling tickets.

And yeah, the tickets themselves.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 12:23 pm
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