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re: Jarrett Lee with another funny tweet
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:09 pm to GoldenCorral420
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:09 pm to GoldenCorral420
quote:You don't think these numbers from Lee's 2011 season are "very good"?
[Lee] definitely improved a lot but I don't remember him being "very good"
104-167
62.3%
1306 yards
7.8 yards/attempt
14 TD
3 INT
152.0 rating - best in the SEC
And before you complain about the low gross passing yards, remember that Lee was playing in Miles' Stone Age offensive scheme.
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:09 pm to GoldenCorral420
quote:
He definitely improved a lot but I don't remember him being "very good".
This debate has caused people to remember what they want to which skews reality.
quote:
He also had a real good team that year
The wins that year were team wins especially from the defense & special teams. The opener against Oregon was the perfect example of this. Lee in that game was 10-28 98 yards 1 TD. There is nothing good or great about those numbers. The completion percentage is actually quite pathetic. (35.71 %)
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:11 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
And before you complain about the low gross passing yards, remember that Lee was playing in Miles' Stone Age offensive scheme.
AJ McCarron put up better numbers at a time when Nick Saban was still conservative offensively.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:12 pm to BigBrod81
quote:you're cherry-picking one game. And you got the numbers wrong - Lee was 10-22, for 45.5% in the Oregon game, not 10-28.
The wins that year were team wins especially from the defense & special teams. The opener against Oregon was the perfect example of this. Lee in that game was 10-28 98 yards 1 TD. There is nothing good or great about those numbers. The completion percentage is actually quite pathetic. (35.71 %)
Give us his numbers from the other games that season. I already know them, but at least have the honesty to give us the rest.
(Hint: I'll do your work for you -- outside of the Oregon game, Lee was 94-145, 64.8%)
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:16 pm to BigBrod81
quote:wonderful, but I never said Jarrett Lee was as good as McCarron.
AJ McCarron put up better numbers at a time when Nick Saban was still conservative offensively.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:20 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
you're cherry-picking one game. And you got the numbers wrong - Lee was 10-22, for 45.5% in the Oregon game, not 10-28.
Typo. Regardless, those are still shite numbers & you should be embarrassed for even trying argue that those are good numbers for a QB.
quote:
Give us his numbers from the other games that season. I already know them, but at least have the honesty to give us the rest.
quote:
Lee was pulled for his poor performance in the November game against Alabama. Lee finished the game 3 of 7 (43%) for 24 yards with 2 interceptions and a passer rating of 14.5.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:23 pm to BigBrod81
quote:I never said his numbers for the Oregon game were good, I was talking about the entire 2011 season.
Typo. Regardless, those are still shite numbers & you should be embarrassed for even trying argue that those are good numbers for a QB.
And you continued to fail to acknowledge Lee's numbers for the rest of the year. They were very good numbers.
But keep suppressing those facts. You must work for Twitter (pre-Musk, of course).
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:24 pm to atltiger6487
I think he did fine that year for the most part. I also think a lot of qbs could've matched those numbers on that particular team IMO. Maybe saying he was trash is a bit harsh but I still don't think he was all that good of a player. Jefferson=trash Lee=just ok
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:28 pm to GoldenCorral420
quote:If 62%, a 14-3 TD/INT ratio, and 152 rating are just ok, then I'll take just ok all day, every day.
Jefferson=trash Lee=just ok
I'll never understand the hate for Jarrett Lee in 2011. Yes, he had a bad freshman year, and played poorly against Bama in the 2011 Game of the Century. But I think that cloud's everyone's judgment for the rest of 2011.
He was very good in the 2011 season as a whole.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:29 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
They were very good numbers.
No matter how many times you say this doesn't make it true. Lee's numbers were very average in 2011.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:33 pm to atltiger6487
Those stats do look just ok honestly. Especially on that legendary team where his life was made a lot easier. No hate from me here on Lee btw like I said I'm a Lee guy in the debate but I don't pretend like he was a very good qb that's just homerism
Posted on 4/27/22 at 2:34 pm to atltiger6487
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But I think that cloud's everyone's judgment for the rest of 2011.
Yeah ok
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But keep suppressing those facts. You must work for Twitter (pre-Musk, of course).
Maybe you should ask Musk to buy the entire internet so he could delete all of Lee's stats from 2011. That would make it easier for you tell everyone that Lee put up great numbers that season.
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 4/27/22 at 3:07 pm to BigBrod81
quote:I'm not sure Lee's 2011 stats are "great," but they're pretty damn good.
Maybe you should ask Musk to buy the entire internet so he could delete all of Lee's stats from 2011. That would make it easier for you tell everyone that Lee put up great numbers that season.
In 2011, Lee had the best QB Rating in the SEC, by far, and had the best TD/INT ratio in the SEC, by far, and the 4th best completion %.
Lee had a very good 2011 season overall, but this board denies it, probably because they only remember his poor showing against Bama, which was virtually the last time we saw him on the field.
But I'm tired of this, so I'll bow out now.
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 4/27/22 at 3:15 pm to Ironhead985
quote:
So you think that Mett was more mobile than Lee??
No, he just had more natural talent. Mett was probably our best chance to be competitive in that game. It wouldn't have mattered, though.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 4:01 pm to Eat Your Crow
quote:everyone keeps saying this -- but WE DON'T KNOW.
No, he just had more natural talent. Mett was probably our best chance to be competitive in that game. It wouldn't have mattered, though.
Maybe Mett, or Lee, comes in at the beginning of the 4th quarter and completes a long pass for a TD. Highly unlikely, but what if Bama's DB slips and we complete that pass.
That would've made it 15-7 and completely changed the energy and momentum. shite happens, so we should've tried SOMETHING to try to like a spark.
But nope.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 5:04 pm to BigBrod81
Lee did indeed put up great numbers that year. He was named the All-SEC Sr QB by ESPN (over Jefferson, btw)
He only played in 9 games, and Mett or JJ was the QB for what amounts to two of those games. Lee played only half the NSU game, and was subbed 54 times for Jefferson (from the KY to the Bama game). So his 2011 stats are essentially half the opportunities a normal starting QB would have gotten
So instead of denigrating Lee's:
104/167 62.3% 1,306 yds 14 tds 3 int 152.0 rat
You would have seen stats more like:
208/334 62.3% 2,612 yds 28 tds 6 int 152.0 rat
He had great stats for the half season that dick Miles actually allowed him to play
He only played in 9 games, and Mett or JJ was the QB for what amounts to two of those games. Lee played only half the NSU game, and was subbed 54 times for Jefferson (from the KY to the Bama game). So his 2011 stats are essentially half the opportunities a normal starting QB would have gotten
So instead of denigrating Lee's:
104/167 62.3% 1,306 yds 14 tds 3 int 152.0 rat
You would have seen stats more like:
208/334 62.3% 2,612 yds 28 tds 6 int 152.0 rat
He had great stats for the half season that dick Miles actually allowed him to play
Posted on 4/27/22 at 6:00 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
He only played in 9 games, and Mett or JJ was the QB for what amounts to two of those games. Lee played only half the NSU game, and was subbed 54 times for Jefferson (from the KY to the Bama game). So his 2011 stats are essentially half the opportunities a normal starting QB would have gotten
So instead of denigrating Lee's:
104/167 62.3% 1,306 yds 14 tds 3 int 152.0 rat
You would have seen stats more like:
208/334 62.3% 2,612 yds 28 tds 6 int 152.0 rat
He had great stats for the half season that dick Miles actually allowed him to play
What a bunch nonsense. The fact you had to make up stats in order to attempt to make Lee's 2011 season better than it was, just proves how some fans are truly biased for whatever reason(s).
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:24 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Around 35% vs UK iirc.
Give us his numbers from the other games that season
Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:35 am to Samso
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LSU probably loses 33-0 with him.
Dude we didn’t cross midfield almost the entire game! He couldn’t have done worse
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:33 am to LSUNV
Miles should have spent December practicing an entirely different offensive game plan going into that game.
He didn’t. Nor did anyone really expect him to. Miles was terrified of Bama’s defense. And in Miles’ defense, he had reason to be.
He went with Jefferson because he probably felt he could prevent sacks by scrambling when no one was open. Because no one was going to be open A LOT against that Bama defense. His plan was never to try for big chunks of yardage going against those Bama athletes, except maybe a non risky attempt here or there. The plan was to prevent turnovers, control some clock, and rely on an athlete to make a big play if the opportunity presented itself. Both on offense and defense. That opportunity never came because that Bama team was a fricking monster.
The game was close enough that miles continued this philosophy never trying to take chances. Thinking one of his freak athletes would make a play. And all he needed was one big play to get back into the game. Until the 4th quarter.
So Miles putting Lee in would have done nothing most likely. Because there was zero chance Miles was going to risk anything in a game that close regardless of who he had at QB. We all saw a complete shite show of an offense that couldn’t get past the 50. Miles saw a close game and a big play away from being in it.
What Miles should have done was changed his plan completely before that game whether going with Lee or Jefferson. But we all know Miles was never going to do that. And I don’t think he really knew how. In a perfect world though, Miles realizes that his only chance to win the game is a better offensive passing game plan. But I doubt Miles even considered that. Especially since he won the regular season game doing the same thing.
Was starting Jefferson the right move? For Miles’ game plan, yes. Should he have tried Lee? Yes. Even with the game plan he had, there should have been a plan to try Lee at some point. Seems like after the 3rdQ would have been a good time. Maybe Lee could have tried something a little different or maybe he could have seen an opportunity somewhere Jefferson couldn’t and made a big play. I don’t know. But yes, he should have tried him after that last field goal in the 3rd if nothing else.
He didn’t. Nor did anyone really expect him to. Miles was terrified of Bama’s defense. And in Miles’ defense, he had reason to be.
He went with Jefferson because he probably felt he could prevent sacks by scrambling when no one was open. Because no one was going to be open A LOT against that Bama defense. His plan was never to try for big chunks of yardage going against those Bama athletes, except maybe a non risky attempt here or there. The plan was to prevent turnovers, control some clock, and rely on an athlete to make a big play if the opportunity presented itself. Both on offense and defense. That opportunity never came because that Bama team was a fricking monster.
The game was close enough that miles continued this philosophy never trying to take chances. Thinking one of his freak athletes would make a play. And all he needed was one big play to get back into the game. Until the 4th quarter.
So Miles putting Lee in would have done nothing most likely. Because there was zero chance Miles was going to risk anything in a game that close regardless of who he had at QB. We all saw a complete shite show of an offense that couldn’t get past the 50. Miles saw a close game and a big play away from being in it.
What Miles should have done was changed his plan completely before that game whether going with Lee or Jefferson. But we all know Miles was never going to do that. And I don’t think he really knew how. In a perfect world though, Miles realizes that his only chance to win the game is a better offensive passing game plan. But I doubt Miles even considered that. Especially since he won the regular season game doing the same thing.
Was starting Jefferson the right move? For Miles’ game plan, yes. Should he have tried Lee? Yes. Even with the game plan he had, there should have been a plan to try Lee at some point. Seems like after the 3rdQ would have been a good time. Maybe Lee could have tried something a little different or maybe he could have seen an opportunity somewhere Jefferson couldn’t and made a big play. I don’t know. But yes, he should have tried him after that last field goal in the 3rd if nothing else.
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 2:58 am
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