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Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:23 am to Roaad
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his last 2 passes in that game were int's, iirc
And in the 2nd half of the BCS game Jefferson had 4 sacks, a fumble and a pick
Whereas Miles was quick to yank Lee after 1 turnover, JJ was never yanked after 2 in the BCS game. Miles would rather be drug through hell than be proven wrong, in regards to replacing Lee midseason
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:27 am to RobbBobb
quote:2 consecutive turnovers, and the obvious conclusion that Lee can't handle blitzing teams. The line couldn't protect Lee.
Whereas Miles was quick to yank Lee after 1 turnover
He figured Jefferson at least could run, when blitzed.
The reality is the only good option we had at QB was on the bench. . .and his name wasn't Lee
There's your real head scratcher
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:31 am to Roaad
I despise Miles for not at least giving his team a chance to win the biggest game of their lives.
Some "coach" he was.
Some "coach" he was.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:53 am to 308
Mettenburger threw only 11 passes that season, while the 2 QBs we played were absolute dogshit
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:51 am to Roaad
quote:go look at Jarrett Lee's stats from 2011 and tell me again that they were dogshit.
Mettenburger threw only 11 passes that season, while the 2 QBs we played were absolute dogshit
Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:08 am to atltiger6487
quote:They were dogshit.
go look at Jarrett Lee's stats from 2011 and tell me again that they were dogshit.
He had a decent QBR, but that's it.
What stands out to you?
The entire offense was dogshit with him or Jefferson.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:18 am to BigBrod81
If you look at efficiency it was excellent. LSU had one of the most efficient offenses that year under Lee.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:39 am to deuce985
quote:It was only 14 pts ahead of Jefferson's
If you look at efficiency it was excellent.
With the way the rating is calculated in college, that is not far off
Hell, JJ led the SEC in efficiency rating in 09 or 10, forget which.
quote:
LSU had one of the most efficient offenses that year under Lee.
OK, that got me
Our offense was dogshit all season. Every win against a team with a decent pulse was a result of a miraculous play by the defense. We couldn't throw the ball (3rd worst in the SEC, and relied exclusively on the running attack.
On the bench, we had a guy that ended up with a 171 rating his SR year.
Zach should have started that year, but Les and his seniority bullshite.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 12:17 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
shite happens, so we should've tried SOMETHING to try to like a spark.
I agree.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 12:19 pm to deuce985
quote:Lee was efficient, but not prolific.
If you look at efficiency it was excellent. LSU had one of the most efficient offenses that year under Lee.
During 2011, "efficient" is the single word that defined Lee. You'll be hard pressed to find a post about Lee without the word "efficient" just a few words away. The thing about being defined as “efficient” is that it means that you aren’t a prolific passer; you don’t throw it a lot. In fact, it typically means that the offense is run-oriented and passes infrequently. Prior to the GOTC, Lee averaged less than 20 passes per game. Lee had only one game in 2011 in which he threw for more than 200 yards: 213 yards against Mississippi State. Lee wasn’t a prolific passer. He was efficient.
Efficient does not work when you can’t run.
Efficient works when your team can run the ball effectively. Efficient means that the defense is focused on stopping the run. Efficient means that the defense is not expecting a pass. Efficient means that you have time to throw because the defense is not focused on stopping the pass. Efficient does not work when you aren’t running well. Efficient does not work when your line can’t block. Bama’s D was suffocating that night. Bama would have killed Lee.
Jefferson was more efficient than Lee
From the moment that Jefferson threw his first pass in the Florida game in 2011, he had a higher QB Rating than Lee. Jefferson had a better efficiency rating than Lee, and that better efficiency continued for the rest of the regular season. That's right, from his first pass until the end of the regular season, Jefferson was more efficient than Lee.
So when folks say that Lee was an efficient QB, the "most efficient" QB in the SEC or in the nation, at no point during the regular season, from the time Jefferson threw his first pass until the end of the regular season, was Lee more efficient than Jefferson.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 12:19 pm to atltiger6487
The best thing that ever happened to Lee was not playing the SECCG or the BCSCG. It would have destroyed the illusion that Lee might have made a difference. Because he didn't play, he still remains the great hope to some people.
Jefferson had better regular season passing numbers than Lee.
Compare regular season numbers. Jefferson had better passing numbers than Lee: higher Completion %; higher QB Rating; higher YPA; lower Interception %. And that's not even mentioning how much Jefferson improved the team's rushing attack. LSU rushed for over 250 yards in every game of Jefferson’s three starts.
Lee threw for over 200 yards (213) just once in nine games. Jefferson threw for more than 200 yards (208) once in just three games.
Jefferson completed 100% of his passes against Ole Miss. Lee never completed 100% of his passes in any of his starts, not even against Northwestern State, an FCS school.
In Lee's nine regular season starts, he completed less than 50% of his passes three times. In Jefferson's three starts, he always completed more than 55% of his passes.
Jefferson (2011 Regular Season)
64.3%, 9.34 YPA, 5 TDs, 1 INT, INT% 1.43%, Overall Rating 163.48
Lee (2011 Regular Season)
62.3%, 7.82 YPA, 14 TDs, 3 INTs, INT% 1.80%, Overall Rating 152.04
Post-season numbers cannot be compared. Jefferson played in the Championship games. Lee didn't.
Jefferson's three regular season starts in 2011 were the three best offensive games of the season.
It wasn't that one of Jefferson's games was better than one of Lee's games. It wasn't that the average of Jefferson's three starts was better than the average of Lee's starts. Every regular season game that Jefferson started was better than every regular season game that Lee started.
LSU's best rushing game happened when Jefferson started.
LSU's best total offense game happened when Jefferson started.
LSU's best completion percentage game happened when Jefferson started.
In the nine games that Lee started during the regular season, LSU gained over 450 yards just once. In the three games that Jefferson started during the regular season, LSU gained more than 450 yards in every game. Every game.
Competition Versus #3 Ranked Teams
LSU played the #3 team twice in 2011.
In the first game, the QB completed 45% of his passes for less than 100 yards passing. His QB rating was under 100. That team had the 88th ranked passing defense.
In the second game, the QB completed 62% of his passes for over 200 yards passing. He also rushed for 53 yards in LSU's most prolific offensive performance in 2011. The only game in which LSU gained almost 500 yards . . . and the QB was responsible for over half of those yards. That team had the 24th ranked passing defense.
Jefferson had better regular season passing numbers than Lee.
Compare regular season numbers. Jefferson had better passing numbers than Lee: higher Completion %; higher QB Rating; higher YPA; lower Interception %. And that's not even mentioning how much Jefferson improved the team's rushing attack. LSU rushed for over 250 yards in every game of Jefferson’s three starts.
Lee threw for over 200 yards (213) just once in nine games. Jefferson threw for more than 200 yards (208) once in just three games.
Jefferson completed 100% of his passes against Ole Miss. Lee never completed 100% of his passes in any of his starts, not even against Northwestern State, an FCS school.
In Lee's nine regular season starts, he completed less than 50% of his passes three times. In Jefferson's three starts, he always completed more than 55% of his passes.
Jefferson (2011 Regular Season)
64.3%, 9.34 YPA, 5 TDs, 1 INT, INT% 1.43%, Overall Rating 163.48
Lee (2011 Regular Season)
62.3%, 7.82 YPA, 14 TDs, 3 INTs, INT% 1.80%, Overall Rating 152.04
Post-season numbers cannot be compared. Jefferson played in the Championship games. Lee didn't.
Jefferson's three regular season starts in 2011 were the three best offensive games of the season.
It wasn't that one of Jefferson's games was better than one of Lee's games. It wasn't that the average of Jefferson's three starts was better than the average of Lee's starts. Every regular season game that Jefferson started was better than every regular season game that Lee started.
LSU's best rushing game happened when Jefferson started.
LSU's best total offense game happened when Jefferson started.
LSU's best completion percentage game happened when Jefferson started.
In the nine games that Lee started during the regular season, LSU gained over 450 yards just once. In the three games that Jefferson started during the regular season, LSU gained more than 450 yards in every game. Every game.
Competition Versus #3 Ranked Teams
LSU played the #3 team twice in 2011.
In the first game, the QB completed 45% of his passes for less than 100 yards passing. His QB rating was under 100. That team had the 88th ranked passing defense.
In the second game, the QB completed 62% of his passes for over 200 yards passing. He also rushed for 53 yards in LSU's most prolific offensive performance in 2011. The only game in which LSU gained almost 500 yards . . . and the QB was responsible for over half of those yards. That team had the 24th ranked passing defense.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:23 pm to Roaad
Going into the Bama game he had a 157 efficiency rating and LSU's offensive efficiency was also high. I don't remember the exact numbers. I think Lee was in the top 15 nationally leading an offense and he was the highest in the SEC. Defense gave him opportunities but that's what efficiency is, making the most of your opportunities.
You don't seem to understand what efficiency means and LSU blew out every team that season except Bama. He wasn't amazing and maybe it wouldn't be any better in the NC game but you can't deny LSU was efficient when Lee was in the game. Miles cradled into a shell again when he saw Lee throwing an INT in the Bama game against a defense that was also historically great like LSU's. LSU's defense was incredible that year look at the NFL players it produced and it was all overshadowed by Bama.
LSU could've ended up with the 2 greatest teams in modern NCAA with the greatest defense and greatest offense winning a NC. The 2011 team is nothing but a distant memory to anyone outside LSU because Bama won it. Sad.
You don't seem to understand what efficiency means and LSU blew out every team that season except Bama. He wasn't amazing and maybe it wouldn't be any better in the NC game but you can't deny LSU was efficient when Lee was in the game. Miles cradled into a shell again when he saw Lee throwing an INT in the Bama game against a defense that was also historically great like LSU's. LSU's defense was incredible that year look at the NFL players it produced and it was all overshadowed by Bama.
LSU could've ended up with the 2 greatest teams in modern NCAA with the greatest defense and greatest offense winning a NC. The 2011 team is nothing but a distant memory to anyone outside LSU because Bama won it. Sad.
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:57 pm to Salviati
quote:I don't know what you're arguing -- I've never claimed Lee was better than Jefferson. My only claim is that Lee had a very good 2011 season.
Compare regular season numbers. Jefferson had better passing numbers than Lee
And, of course, I've argued that Lee (or Mett) should've been put in the 1/9/2012 game at some point, since the offense with Jefferson was doing nothing: 49 yards on 27 plays, through the end of the 3rd quarter.
Maybe it works and maybe it doesn't, but we weren't winning that game with Jefferson at QB and Les should've done something (anything) to try to light a spark. I'd have been fine with Les trying the water boy at QB. If it fails, who cares, because losing 35-0 is the same as losing 21-0.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:38 pm to SammyTiger
Exactly. He was scared to death in his one game against Bama or anytime pressure got near him. Many times he just dropped to the ground. He wouldn't have helped
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:51 pm to Roaad
quote:62% completion percentage and an almost 5:1 TD/INT ratio.
They were dogshit.
[Jarrett Lee] had a decent QBR, but that's it.
What stands out to you?
I'll take that every single season.
If you're hung up on the lack of huge yardage, that's not Lee's fault -- it's Miles' fault for running a Stone Age, ground and pound offense.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 3:44 pm to atltiger6487
I was a Jarrett Lee fan and I always thought that if he had been properly developed and not thrown to the wolves as a green RS freshman, he would have turned out a much stronger player and a guy who could have won some individual awards. Not to be, I guess. Jordan Jefferson was a great athlete and won a lot of big games for LSU over the years, and if he had won his last game nobody would be talking about Jarrett Lee or Mett anymore. But here we are.
Regardless, there are a lot of reasons why Bama won that night despite the LSU QB issue:
1) Bama was absolutely ready for TM7 as a punt returner. I was at the game, and most of our other games in 2011, and TM7's punt returning electrified the stadiums and blew open a lot of big games for us that season. Bama was out to make sure that did not happen, and was able to stop LSU from getting a huge momentum shift by a big special teams play.
2) AJ McCarron played one of his best games, even though he didn't get a TD pass. He was dropping dimes into tight spots where LSU actually had good coverage, including by TM7. McCarron's performance that night reminded me of David Greene in the 2004 UGA game -- the guy just played lights out.
3) Even though the LSU *team* was as good if not better than Bama in 2011, Bama had better coaches. It was obvious that one staff showed up with a great gameplan while the other showed up completely unprepared if Plan A should not work. And LSU's OC was a converted OL coach. I realize Kragthorpe had to step down in August, but still, our OC was Stud that night, with Les undoubtedly meddling in the plan and keeping certain players off the field for unknown and probably less than great reasons. Meanwhile, Bama had Saban, Kirby, and McElwain, all dialed in and smelling blood in the water.
To this day, it still remains the most surreally bad LSU football game I have ever been to.
Regardless, there are a lot of reasons why Bama won that night despite the LSU QB issue:
1) Bama was absolutely ready for TM7 as a punt returner. I was at the game, and most of our other games in 2011, and TM7's punt returning electrified the stadiums and blew open a lot of big games for us that season. Bama was out to make sure that did not happen, and was able to stop LSU from getting a huge momentum shift by a big special teams play.
2) AJ McCarron played one of his best games, even though he didn't get a TD pass. He was dropping dimes into tight spots where LSU actually had good coverage, including by TM7. McCarron's performance that night reminded me of David Greene in the 2004 UGA game -- the guy just played lights out.
3) Even though the LSU *team* was as good if not better than Bama in 2011, Bama had better coaches. It was obvious that one staff showed up with a great gameplan while the other showed up completely unprepared if Plan A should not work. And LSU's OC was a converted OL coach. I realize Kragthorpe had to step down in August, but still, our OC was Stud that night, with Les undoubtedly meddling in the plan and keeping certain players off the field for unknown and probably less than great reasons. Meanwhile, Bama had Saban, Kirby, and McElwain, all dialed in and smelling blood in the water.
To this day, it still remains the most surreally bad LSU football game I have ever been to.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 3:56 pm to BigBrod81
quote:
Lee in that game was 10-28 98 yards 1 TD. There is nothing good or great about those numbers.
for those that watched that game, they'll remember the dropped passes. a lot of them.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 4:53 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
Jarrett Lee Interview Yesterday
Jarrett confirms what T-Bob posted pretty much in this interview yesterday. Nothing happened in the locker room to cause the loss. Good interview if you have time. Fast forward to the 1:02:00 mark.
PS Jarrett is a good dude and loyal Tiger.
Jarrett confirms what T-Bob posted pretty much in this interview yesterday. Nothing happened in the locker room to cause the loss. Good interview if you have time. Fast forward to the 1:02:00 mark.
PS Jarrett is a good dude and loyal Tiger.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 6:14 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Again, why is any of this important?
62% completion percentage and an almost 5:1 TD/INT ratio.
The offense was dogshit when he ran it
It was dogshit when Jefferson ran it.
Jefferson was 61% and also "nearly 5:1" TD/INT if you account for his 3 rushing TDs. Would you take that?
Adding in the rushing numbers
Lee: 1291
Jefferson: 1000
Lee played in 3 more games than Jefferson, starting 9, to Jefferson's 5
They were both dogshit
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