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re: PJ Fleck for LSU: 13-0 & MAC Champs edition (#ReauxTheBeauxt)
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:14 am to BMC398
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:14 am to BMC398
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shite, UGA who isn't even in the same division basically fired their coach because he wasn't Saban and couldn't beat him. No matter who the next coach is, even if they are GREAT....they aren't as good as the elephant in the room.
wrong.
they fired him because he lost to a very subpar florida team in 2014 that only threw 4 passes. that team had previously blown a 21-7 lead at ten a week earlier. he followed that up by starting a 3rd string qb that had never taken a snap in the 2015 fla game. that ball was set into motion 2 yrs ago.
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:42 am to dos crystal
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So, why you can't say Fleck beat fsu and Oklahoma (both name schoos) he has not lost to any crap teams that he should not lose to either. Is it good to beat Alabama and lose to vandy?
He has lost to bad teams. Not this year, but you are bringing up UConn, so why are you ignoring all the 8-5 years.
Fleck is good, but it doesn't take much to beat the competition he is up against. Yes his school has never done it, but a good coach can turn a program around pretty fast in those leagues, because really no one has a ton of talent.
I do think PJ Fleck is a good coach, but there is nothing to show if he is a great coach or not.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:27 am to dos crystal
Wrong. Herman was the key to their title run and when he left they dove in offensive rankings. I'm not sure O wouldn't be a better fit. They parallel each other as far as being a high energy guy who can recruit. Fleck has had success as a HC but O has done well as an interim. So imo fleck shouldn't be offered the job. If they go with a guy like him might as well go with O. It's gonn be jimbo of Herman. With the wildcard being Fedora
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:56 am to SammyTiger
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He has lost to bad teams. Not this year, but you are bringing up UConn, so why are you ignoring all the 8-5 years. Fleck is good, but it doesn't take much to beat the competition he is up against. Yes his school has never done it, but a good coach can turn a program around pretty fast in those leagues, because really no one has a ton of talent. I do think PJ Fleck is a good coach, but there is nothing to show if he is a great coach or not.
Well, His team is better this year and continues to get better EACH YEAR. He isn't losing to those teams. Is Houston as good as they were last year? Are they getting better each year? One has been there two years, the other has been there FOUR years.
I'm giving credit to herman for beating the good teams fsu and Oklahoma. I'm not ignoring his head scratchers to horrible teams. People are using competition against pj fleck. Well, he is improving and not losing to that competition. Can the other say that?
This isnt' an indictment against herman. However, herman fans that dismiss pj fleck because of competition are just silly. He's proved more than him. He built that program. This year is a result of the work he has put in over the past four years. That is impressive.
I honestly do not understand how people are saying Herman is ready and the next big thing, throw the bank at him. However, pj fleck isn't ready he needs another gig.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:12 am to dos crystal
Because people want a coach who has played in big games and won big games.
Herman has won big games not even big for Houston. Big for any team. If Alabama played a top ten team to start the season it would be big.
I guess the difference is Fleck is a big fish and a smaller pond. Herman is a big fish in a slightly bigger pond who has beaten fish in the ocean.
Herman has won big games not even big for Houston. Big for any team. If Alabama played a top ten team to start the season it would be big.
I guess the difference is Fleck is a big fish and a smaller pond. Herman is a big fish in a slightly bigger pond who has beaten fish in the ocean.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:20 am to SammyTiger
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Because people want a coach who has played in big games and won big games.
As a head coach or coordinator?
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Herman has won big games not even big for Houston. Big for any team. If Alabama played a top ten team to start the season it would be big.
I guess the difference is Fleck is a big fish and a smaller pond. Herman is a big fish in a slightly bigger pond who has beaten fish in the ocean.
Herman has in the past. He has won TWO big games with another coach's players. He has also lost to THREE teams with much less talent than his with two of those losses coming in the last four games.
So yes, it appears Fleck is getting much better over time and Herman is getting much worse.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 12:27 pm to Tiger Ree
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with another coach's players.
So are you gonna ignore Os wins with a team someone else's team AS well?
Posted on 11/9/16 at 12:29 pm to Tiger Ree
Does Fleck have a win that makes you say "wow"?
No
He has plenty of loses. Went 1-11 his first year (worse than the year before)
He lost 5 games the next two seasons.
and this year who is the best team he has played?
4-5 Northwestern?
Fleck isn't undefeated as a coach. I don't think this year is more impressive than Herman's year last year, or really if he wins out this year.
No
He has plenty of loses. Went 1-11 his first year (worse than the year before)
He lost 5 games the next two seasons.
and this year who is the best team he has played?
4-5 Northwestern?
Fleck isn't undefeated as a coach. I don't think this year is more impressive than Herman's year last year, or really if he wins out this year.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 12:35 pm to SammyTiger
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Fleck isn't undefeated as a coach. I don't think this year is more impressive than Herman's year last year, or really if he wins out this year
What if he beats a fsu in a bowl game? Hmmmmm
Posted on 11/9/16 at 12:38 pm to dos crystal
quote:Jimbo will already be wearing purple and gold by that point
What if he beats a fsu in a bowl game?
Posted on 11/9/16 at 1:14 pm to SammyTiger
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SammyTiger
you need a new name..... Sammy the Tool!!
This post reminds me of a political ad, trying to twist facts into something negative.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 2:12 pm to dos crystal
Won't happen but would be a big time win for him.
I don't think they will play in the same Bowl.
I don't think they will play in the same Bowl.
This post was edited on 11/9/16 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:59 pm to SammyTiger
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Fleck is good, but it doesn't take much to beat the competition he is up against.
Except it does. He doesn't have SEC resources and talent pool while playing in the MAC. A lot of the MAC recruits the same players and he outworks the others for the best of those players...at Western Michigan. Western is a middle of the pack MAC program.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 6:42 pm to Arkansasrazorback
What I am saying is I think there is a certain amount of parity in the smaller conferences. I don't think any team is getting way more money for recruiting, or sigificantly better players.
So a good coach or a special player can tip the scale big time. But that doesn't mean they are a great coach.
Look at Doc Holliday (Marshall was 13-1 in 2014) or June Jones (Hawaii was 12-1 in 2007 and 12-0 before they hit the buzzsaw that was UGA)
Neither of them are really that great of coaches. I know WMU probably doesn't even have the history that Marshall has, but Hawaii has no history.
I just think he has a huge question mark whether he is a great coach, or just the best coach in the MAC.
So a good coach or a special player can tip the scale big time. But that doesn't mean they are a great coach.
Look at Doc Holliday (Marshall was 13-1 in 2014) or June Jones (Hawaii was 12-1 in 2007 and 12-0 before they hit the buzzsaw that was UGA)
Neither of them are really that great of coaches. I know WMU probably doesn't even have the history that Marshall has, but Hawaii has no history.
I just think he has a huge question mark whether he is a great coach, or just the best coach in the MAC.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 6:49 pm to higgins
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wrong. they fired him because he lost to a very subpar florida team in 2014 that only threw 4 passes. that team had previously blown a 21-7 lead at ten a week earlier. he followed that up by starting a 3rd string qb that had never taken a snap in the 2015 fla game. that ball was set into motion 2 yrs ago.
THIS. But......if it was me I would have kept him.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 7:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I mentioned him last year as a possible candidate and got roasted for it. 
Posted on 11/9/16 at 7:23 pm to Arkansasrazorback
quote:obviously. he has a MAC talent pool and MAC resources. just like the rest of the MAC.
He doesn't have SEC resources and talent pool while playing in the MAC
Brady Hoke was in the MAC too. he took Ball State from 4-8 to 12-1. heres what he did a Michigan...
Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:13 pm to MastrShake
Hoke not half the communicator Fleck is
Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:15 pm to SammyTiger
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go look at Tommy Bowden who was undefeated at Tulane in 1998, 2 years after taking over a TERRIBLE program. I don't think anyone regretted not hiring him
One big difference is the presence that PJ Fleck has to him. Look at videos of his press conferences. He comes across as a confidant strong personality which is important for coaching and recruiting. I don't know if he is a "brilliant young coach" or not, but it's football, not brain surgery. It's more important to be a strong leader.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:35 pm to BMC398
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Look, as an LSU fan you have to realize AT BEST you're going to beat Bama maybe once every 3 years. So twice in 6. Let's say one of those years you drop some stupid game in conference that you shouldn't...so that 1 year you beat Bama you still don't go to the playoff because of your other loss. So that's 1 in 6 years you go to the playoff and win the SEC. That's not bad at all. Any expectations higher than that while Saban is at Bama are just silly
It would be nice to hire a coach who you feel could actually be Sabans equal given a few years. Fleck just has that feel to him that he could be that guy. I don't feel that with Fisher or CEO, maybe a little bit with Herman. But with Fleck it seems more possible.
Of course a coach that inexperienced and very little track record could turn out to not even be Miles equal.
Whoever is making the decision is going to have to really study him. But to not take a hard look at him would be a mistake.
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