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re: Do you have to win it all to be considered the best team ever? - Arkansasrazorback
[quote]The factor that obfuscates the discussion is how much of an imbecile Miles was in playing Jefferson over Lee.[/quote] LSU probably doesn't win the first Alabama game if Lee isn't replaced by Jefferson, and he sure as hell wouldn't have made a difference the second time. ...
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re: Do you have to win it all to be considered the best team ever? - Arkansasrazorback
[quote]If that BCSCG goes the other way and LSU beats Alabama again, that's an easy top 5 all-time team. [/quote] Or if Oklahoma State could take care of fricking ISU. That LSU team would have crushed them too and added to their already all time great résumé. It's a shame the title game destruct...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
Success against Saban is not exactly common. I think he may have even lost less than 20 games in a decade. One of the few coaches to beat him more than once was Les Miles and he did it using the same approach you are currently criticizing him for. Are you suggesting that he should have put the ga...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
I'm not going to list 10,000 (I don't have that much time on my hands), but I will list just a few running backs, WRs, QBs, and defensive players from just the last ten or so years. Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Cam Newton, Deshaun Watson, Johnny Manziel, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Derrick Henry, Eze...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
Well then that doesn't make any sense as the purpose of a straw man argument is to establish an easier argument for oneself as the point of contention. I actually did the opposite in this case. It would be much easier for me to prove that he isn't top 50 than to prove that he isn't top 10,000....
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
[quote]Also "straw man" is defined as an intentional misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. [/quote] Correct. That is exactly what I defined it as. I didn't need to set up an easy to defeat proposition such as "Saban's win perc...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
[quote]Precisely, you opposed a point that was never raised regarding how good Les Miles was as well as assert that Leonard Fournette isn't a top 10,000 player when the argument was clearly confined to 50. Just accept defeat rather than reach, you're making yourself look like a moron. [/quote] P...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
A "straw man" argument is one that opposes a point never advanced by one's opponent. You actually suggested that Saban's win percentage was higher than Miles' win percentage which I was able to address rather easily. Any other subjects you would like me to tutor you on? As for the topic of the ...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
You're the one who didn't know that 77 is a bigger number than 75. You were quite adamant about it actually. You even used all caps to emphasize it...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
[quote]but he also did not inherit nearly as good a situation. [/quote] Miles' 2011 team had a legitimate GOAT argument before they were unfairly required to play Alabama again. He fielded that team in his seventh season. It had nothing to do with what he inherited. He won a national champions...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
[quote]Nick has championships and HIGHER WIN PCT[/quote] No, he doesn't. Miles' win percentage was 77%. Saban's was 75%....
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
[quote]How? [b]Nick Saban won a higher pct of games [/b]and same amount of natl titles and SEC titles, Dietzel won a natl title undefeated as well.[/quote] Nope. The field at Tiger Stadium should eventually be named after Les when you consider his longevity, the clip at which he won, the cha...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
Great players overcome that. Darren McFadden, for example, played for a run heavy, one dimensional coach and he also had a parade of shite sandwiches at QB. Everyone in the stadium knew McFadden or Jones was getting the ball. Under those circumstances, he carried Arkansas to a victory against even...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
[quote]I was replying to a specific post in which you said those 3 guys had better careers, the stats do not support that no matter how much you want to move the goalposts. [/quote] My first post in this thread mentioning other backs: [quote]He could easily name 50 or more running backs th...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
I referenced consistency in my post about there easily being fifty better backs. Consistency implies prolonged excellence while Fournette was a one hit wonder. FYI, I looked at their season by season statistics before I made the post. Your reading comprehension skills need work. Derrick Henry wa...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
[quote]Henry? GTFO. One year, with a gazillion carries.[/quote] Right, one year, just like Leonard Fournette who also only had one good season....
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
[quote]Ah moving the goal posts, always a Good sign [/quote] I didn't move them at all. I said those guys had better, more consistent college careers than Leonard Fournette, and when you look at their season statistics and accolades that is true....
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
Derrick Henry's one phenomenal season was better than Fournette's. So was Mccaffrey's. Mccaffrey also had a season where he rushed for over 1,600, and he was a great kick returner too. He broke Barry Sanders all purpose yardage record. Elliot's career was more consistent. He had two phenomenal s...
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re: Top 50 College Football Players of the Past 50 Years - Arkansasrazorback
I'll start with just a few from recent memory. Christian Mccaffrey, Ezekiel Elliot, and Derrick Henry all had better careers and that's just the past two years. This list spans fifty....
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re: NBA Trade Talk (Shift Discussion to tOfficial Draft Thread) - Arkansasrazorback
[quote]I'd trade #2, Deng, and Mozgov for George[/quote] The Pacers aren't making that deal:lol: The Lakers aren't dumping both of those contracts to the same team. The only way they're getting rid of either is to package one of them with some incredibly valuable assets....
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