re: PJ Fleck for LSU: 13-0 & MAC Champs edition (#ReauxTheBeauxt)

I feel like this isn't our last chance at Fleck.

I feel like his next job isn't going to be a destination job.

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Hoke not half the communicator Fleck isthats an utterly meaningless statement

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being a good communicator and connecting with your players is most important.

Ara Parseghian, Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler

All were MAC coaches. All were hired straight from the MAC to Power 5 jobs. All did pretty well.

Woody was 37
Ara was 32
Bo was 38

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oh, we use Hoke to present the case for failure. However, We don't use Urban Meyer or Saban to present the case for success.

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I agree with the point of your post, but feel the need to highlight that both Saban and Meyer went on to bigger programs before getting a prime time job.

And with Saban you could effectively argue he did it twice, as LSU was not prime time when he got there.

Are there any more recent examples of coaches that went straight from the MAC to a big time conference?

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This is ridiculous. As if 2 years at Utah of all places made Meyer so much better.

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A better coach, no. But it proved how quickly he could turn a program around. Which probably helped make him more attractive to a school like Florida.

I'm not against the idea of Fleck. Personally, I think projecting one coach based on the history of another is a fool's errand. For every Meyer, there's a Hoke. And vice-versa.

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This is ridiculous. As if 2 years at Utah of all places made Meyer so much better. Both Meyer in 2004 and Fleck today have the same amount of experience as a HC.

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Your weekly reminder that you still aren't going to call him and we've already come to terms.

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Well the good news with that is we could just as easily hire him from Purdue as we could Western Michigan.

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Sure. Good luck. Until Nick Saban is gone, nobody will want to come coach there. Sorry.

With all due respect to BMC, Western Michigan is probably a better job right now for winning (not money). Fleck is committing career suicide to go get his head beaten there in in the B1G. I guess there is some argument that there is an opportunity to win in the west division. I think Fleck can do better right now. If Purdue locked him up, great for them.

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So did Hoke, I think it proves going to another Job doesn't guarantee success.

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Hoke should show why you don't jump the gun on these guys.

He was only 13-12 at these schools.

We wont know if this guy is Urban Meyer or June Jones

But neither should have been hired by a P5 school after their first successful gig.

Hoke should show why you don't jump the gun on these guys. [/quote]

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We wont know if this guy is Urban Meyer or June Jones But neither should have been hired by a P5 school after their first successful gig.

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My gosh, you are talking in circles. Nick Saban and Urban Meyer both coached in the Mac. They both went on to other schools before a power 5 Job. Guess who did this also? Brady Hoke.YOUR GUY/EXAMPLE Brady Hoke did not go to Michigan from Ball State. He went from San Diego State. He turned TWO programs around. San diego state had a 2-10 record before he got there 9-4 when he left.

So, the point is. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THEY GET ANOTHER JOB. If PJ Fleck goes to Houston and has success, does not make him the Next Meyer or Hoke. He either has the skills to be a great head coach today or he doesn't. I do not believe Utah made Meyer a better coach than he was at bowling green. Just like I don't believe san diego made hoke a better coach.

It just doesn't make sense to dismiss a coach who has built a program from nothing and is winning. If you don't interview him and look at him as potential party to lead your program, you are a fool. He potentially could be the next Hoke, however, he could be the next Meyer or Saban. To say you did look at the next meyer or saban just shows how big a fool you would be.