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re: Crowton is staying
Posted on 12/10/09 at 10:02 am to Roaad
Posted on 12/10/09 at 10:02 am to Roaad
quote:told you so
Crowton is staying
quote:this would be awesome
reat news, if true. That guarantees Miles is gone after next year.
quote:Hopefully Kelly is looking into the future and he sees himself in purple and gold
Let's just hope Kelly turns down ND.
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Posted on 12/10/09 at 10:11 am to Hot Carl
quote:Well, it's Crowton's job to coach him up and make sure he succeeds. Crowton has 2 jobs, coordinate the offense properly and coach up the QB's...he fails at both.
I find it funny that no one ever really wants to talk about this.
The team succeeds as the QB succeeds.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 10:16 am to Big Fat
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Alabama, Arkansas
Wait, really?
Posted on 12/10/09 at 10:19 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Well, it's Crowton's job to coach him up and make sure he succeeds.
So every coach that has had inexperienced QB's in the history of the game and said QB didn't perform great to perfect then that coach is terrible?
frick, Saban must suck because Randall was an All-American.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 10:23 am to Prominentwon
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So every coach that has had inexperienced QB's in the history of the game and said QB didn't perform great to perfect then that coach is terrible?
frick, Saban must suck because Randall was an All-American.
Crowton's "system" seems hella complex... too complex for the vast majority of college QBs. IMHO.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 10:26 am to Clockwatcher68
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too complex for the vast majority of college QBs. IMHO.
Wasn't too complex for Matt Flynn. An experienced 4 year QB.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 12:09 pm to Roaad
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Great news, if true. That guarantees Miles is gone after next year.
I thought Miles was smart enough to see the writing on the wall and listen to the voices in his ear, if Crowon stays good luck finding another $3.75 Mill a year job Leslie.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 12:25 pm to Prominentwon
So why didn't he dial it back for a younger QB?
I started a thread on this earlier this year.
There's probably 10-15 offenses at least that started freshman or inexperienced QBs that had vastly more production than us.
Hell, OU lost their starting QB, entire OL, 2 TEs, and all their WRs and they were WAY WAY ahead of us starting a first year redshirt freshman.
I started a thread on this earlier this year.
There's probably 10-15 offenses at least that started freshman or inexperienced QBs that had vastly more production than us.
Hell, OU lost their starting QB, entire OL, 2 TEs, and all their WRs and they were WAY WAY ahead of us starting a first year redshirt freshman.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 12:38 pm to OBUDan
Crowton simply sucks as OC. He's overrated his offenses struggle more over the years wherever he is.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 12:39 pm to OBUDan
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Hell, OU lost their starting QB, entire OL, 2 TEs, and all their WRs and they were WAY WAY ahead of us starting a first year redshirt freshman.
...and had one helluva solid year. Better record than LSU.
As far as why he didn't dial it back, who says he didn't? That's my argument. The playcalling sucks, but no one on this board knows what the coaching staff did to adjust for a young QB. Judging a book by it's cover.
If Miles has a successful year next year, all of this bitching and moaning and doom predictions are all for not. It's all bandwagon to me until next year.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 12:47 pm to Prominentwon
Prominentwon=making sense.. 
Posted on 12/10/09 at 12:48 pm to Prominentwon
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...and had one helluva solid year. Better record than LSU.
Are you faulting the entire team's success on their offense? I mean, that doesn't make much sense.
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As far as why he didn't dial it back, who says he didn't? That's my argument. The playcalling sucks, but no one on this board knows what the coaching staff did to adjust for a young QB. Judging a book by it's cover.
From all the games I watched and several a few times, there weren't many things done till late in the year that helped a young QB - no rolling the pocket, no throws to the TE, no screen game, no short routes etc. Hell, this goes back to last year - they threw Lee into the fire and repeatedly let him continue to try throws over the deep middle. Sure Lee should have learned his lesson but why not take that option away from him after the 2nd or 3rd time?
Also, Crowton has a history of having high turnovers in his offenses and also had problems at Oregon with the same issues of lining up, getting plays in etc.
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If Miles has a successful year next year, all of this bitching and moaning and doom predictions are all for not. It's all bandwagon to me until next year.
That's fine. I'm not really a doomsdayer.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 1:03 pm to OBUDan
actually you two guys are two of the better posters when it comes to asking the RIGHT questions and seeing beyond the surface.
i generally pay attention to what you two are saying.
i generally pay attention to what you two are saying.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 1:40 pm to Prominentwon
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OU ranked #8 in total defense nationally.
And they ranked 28th in total offense...
Was their offense inconsistent? Sure.
Their D laid an egg against Texas Tech though.
Injuries killed OU more than anything.
My point is not how many games they won, they were still able to rank 28th nationally in offensive production despite all their losses and inexperience. We have more talent than them. There's really no excuse why we shouldn't be able to be at least 60 spots higher than what we were (I won't say as high as OU because the SEC plays better D than the Big 12).
Posted on 12/10/09 at 1:42 pm to OBUDan
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because the SEC plays better D than the Big 12
I understand you're argument. I'm sticking with mine. The guy deserves criticism, but I believe with a experience QB, his offense is successful. That's been proven.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 1:43 pm to OBUDan
it doesn't help that miles is a moron
Posted on 12/10/09 at 1:45 pm to Prominentwon
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I understand you're argument. I'm sticking with mine. The guy deserves criticism, but I believe with a experience QB, his offense is successful. That's been proven.
Honestly, if you look at the stats, it's the running game that declined.
Look across the board, JJ's stats are better than Flynn's in most every category - completion percentage, ypa, etc. He's even near him in TDs (off hand I think he threw 1 less before Flynn's bowl game).
The only differences are in 2007 we rushed for nearly 3000 yards as a team. This year, we rushed for about half that. That's an embarrassment.
I think JJ takes far too much flack for the failures of our offense...
eta: and the lack of running game killed JJ getting more pass attempts or he'd have better yardage numbers. it's not his fault we can't convert a 3rd and 1 out of the power I.
This post was edited on 12/10/09 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 12/10/09 at 1:56 pm to OBUDan
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it doesn't help that miles is a moron
we know.
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Honestly, if you look at the stats, it's the running game that declined.
Look across the board, JJ's stats are better than Flynn's in most every category - completion percentage, ypa, etc. He's even near him in TDs (off hand I think he threw 1 less before Flynn's bowl game).
The only differences are in 2007 we rushed for nearly 3000 yards as a team. This year, we rushed for about half that. That's an embarrassment.
I think JJ takes far too much flack for the failures of our offense...
eta: and the lack of running game killed JJ getting more pass attempts or he'd have better yardage numbers. it's not his fault we can't convert a 3rd and 1 out of the power I.
That's a decent argument as well. I don't have a problem with that. You don't see me taking up for Stud anywhere on this board.
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I think JJ takes far too much flack for the failures of our offense...
not all of it, no. But he did put the offense in terrible situations. The whole taking sacks thing just killed momentum at times. Taking off way too quickly. He had no feel for the pocket whatsoever and that's something you just can't coach. You have to have that instinct to play QB and it just seems like JJ doesn't have it yet.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 2:01 pm to The Egg
crowton is staying? wtf egg
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