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re: Crowton is staying
Posted on 12/10/09 at 2:10 pm to Prominentwon
Posted on 12/10/09 at 2:10 pm to Prominentwon
quote:
not all of it, no. But he did put the offense in terrible situations. The whole taking sacks thing just killed momentum at times. Taking off way too quickly. He had no feel for the pocket whatsoever and that's something you just can't coach. You have to have that instinct to play QB and it just seems like JJ doesn't have it yet.
yeah, i agree. he's definitely not error free. he made a lot of young qb mistakes.
i know you aren't one of them, i just hate people saying he's the reason our o sucked because i'd say he was only about 10% of the problem.
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Posted on 12/10/09 at 2:18 pm to Prominentwon
quote:If by instinct, you mean that you are either born with it or not, I disagree completely.
The whole taking sacks thing just killed momentum at times. Taking off way too quickly. He had no feel for the pocket whatsoever and that's something you just can't coach. You have to have that instinct to play QB and it just seems like JJ doesn't have it yet.
If you mean that it takes experience, I agree with you.
I also think some people pick it up quicker than others.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 2:20 pm to just me
quote:
If you mean that it takes experience, I agree with you.
keyword in my post was yet.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 2:22 pm to stompinleo
this is TERRIBLE news
Posted on 12/10/09 at 2:27 pm to just me
quote:
1) If by instinct, you mean that you are either born with it or not, I disagree completely. 2) If you mean that it takes experience, I agree with you. 3)I also think some people pick it up quicker than others.
I will agree and add one more....
4) not everyone learns in the same style,
not everyone knows how to teach...irrelevant of their actual knowledge
Posted on 12/10/09 at 2:32 pm to OBUDan
quote:
i know you aren't one of them, i just hate people saying he's the reason our o sucked because i'd say he was only about 10% of the problem.
i couldnt disagree more...Qb and Ol play was 90% of the problem
ill say it again.. if it was a simple fix (change of OC) it would have already happened!
This post was edited on 12/10/09 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:33 pm to stompinleo
quote:
Qb and Ol play was 90% of the problem
I'll give you OL play.
I'm assuming you think Matt Flynn qualifies as "good" QB Play.
So explain this:
MF: 183/332, 2233 yards, 55.12%, 6.72 ypa, 17 TDs, 10 INTs, 125.8 rtg
JJ: 169/272, 1964 yards, 62.1%, 7.22 ypa, 16 TDs, 6 INTS, 137.8 rtg
These are MF's stats pre BCSCG compared to JJ's game without a bowl this year.
So, JJ has a better rating, better completion percentage, higher ypa, less turnovers and nearly the same number of TDs.
But Flynn is good Qb play and JJ is not?
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:38 pm to OBUDan
OBUDan: 
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:42 pm to OBUDan
dont you wish it was that simple...if it was even you OBUDan could coach...
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:42 pm to tygerboy17
I take major issue with people blaming the offense on JJ.
Did he make major mistakes this year? Of course. But people herald Matt Flynn like he's one of the great QBs in LSU history (and I do love Flynn because he was a gamer) but JJ was just as good as Flynn this year, if not better.
People forget that Flynn's mistakes killed us against Kentucky and Arkansas and nearly did against Bama...
JJ's mistakes probably only cost us the Ole Miss game and I'd put that much more on coaching...
The ONLY difference in 2007 and 2009 offenses is the running game. 2009: 1555 total rushing yards. 2007: 2998 rushing yards. That's simply insane.
Did he make major mistakes this year? Of course. But people herald Matt Flynn like he's one of the great QBs in LSU history (and I do love Flynn because he was a gamer) but JJ was just as good as Flynn this year, if not better.
People forget that Flynn's mistakes killed us against Kentucky and Arkansas and nearly did against Bama...
JJ's mistakes probably only cost us the Ole Miss game and I'd put that much more on coaching...
The ONLY difference in 2007 and 2009 offenses is the running game. 2009: 1555 total rushing yards. 2007: 2998 rushing yards. That's simply insane.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:43 pm to stompinleo
quote:
dont you wish it was that simple...if it was even you OBUDan could coach...
pretty typical, you have no response so you result to some lame ad hominem statement...
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:44 pm to OBUDan
quote:
But Flynn is good Qb play and JJ is not?
Look at the number of completions and attempts as well. How many times did we see JJ tuck and run and/or take a sack? 1 yard run. 3 yard loss. 2 yard run. Time to punt.
Alright. Given JJ's same exact numbers this year, do you think the offense would look the exact same if Flynn was the QB?
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:48 pm to Prominentwon
quote:
Look at the number of completions and attempts as well. How many times did we see JJ tuck and run and/or take a sack? 1 yard run. 3 yard loss. 2 yard run. Time to punt.
And that, to me, is coaching.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:50 pm to OBUDan
im not blaming it just on JJ...im a big fan of his and i think in time he will be a very good QB...
could we run the ball on anybody this year?
did we miss reads on WR's?
did we hold the ball to long?
did we not go through our WR progressions?
when Fla rushed 3..and sacked the QB was that play calling?
how many sacks did we have this year?
how many sacks were a result of holding the ball to long vs poor pass protection?
the Ole Miss game that everyone is so upset about...on the sack Jefferson had a receiver open (go back and look at the tape) did not let it go. why pass and not run...great hind site...both starting TE's were out and we were down to our 4th string RB...
bottom line is...see signature line below...
could we run the ball on anybody this year?
did we miss reads on WR's?
did we hold the ball to long?
did we not go through our WR progressions?
when Fla rushed 3..and sacked the QB was that play calling?
how many sacks did we have this year?
how many sacks were a result of holding the ball to long vs poor pass protection?
the Ole Miss game that everyone is so upset about...on the sack Jefferson had a receiver open (go back and look at the tape) did not let it go. why pass and not run...great hind site...both starting TE's were out and we were down to our 4th string RB...
bottom line is...see signature line below...
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:50 pm to rbdallas
quote:You mean regardless or irrespective.
irrelevant of their actual knowledge
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:52 pm to Prominentwon
quote:
Look at the number of completions and attempts as well. How many times did we see JJ tuck and run and/or take a sack? 1 yard run. 3 yard loss. 2 yard run. Time to punt.
Right, like I said in my follow up post, it's more about the running game:
In 2007 we ran the ball 612 times for 2998 at a 4.9 clip.
In 2009 we ran the ball just 410 times for 1555 at only a 3.8 clip.
Flynn ran 100 times for 215 yards and 2 TDs.
JJ ran 104 times for 160 yards and 1 TD.
So Flynn was the more "effective" runner, I guess. But also playing with a team on the whole who averaged an entire yard better per carry.
Is JJ to blame because we can't pick up a 3rd and 1 repeatedly with big bruising tailbacks (even against teams like La. Tech, Ridley got stuffed on a 3rd and 1. Against Bama on a crucial 3rd and 1, Ridley got stuffed there as well)?
Our inability to have a consistent running game prevented the offense from sustaining drives to get JJ's pass attempts up. This also has to do with a defense that just could not get off the field at times.
quote:
Alright. Given JJ's same exact numbers this year, do you think the offense would look the exact same if Flynn was the QB?
The offense would have been worse with Flynn if you go on pure statistics. He would have had less yards than JJ and his completion percentage is a full 8 points lower...
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:53 pm to Nearl
quote:
And that, to me, is coaching.
That's coaching. So tell me what you think they work on in practice.
Just because they can't execute it the games, doesn't mean that they don't work on things like that. Again, it's not ALL coaching. This is what I'm talking about. So quick to blame coaching and coaching alone.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:53 pm to Roaad
and im not saying Crowton should stay!...what i am saying is it is not as simple as a change in the OC position...IF that change happens before next year...all of you Crowton detractors are going to be disappointed....cause it aint that simple!
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:55 pm to OBUDan
quote:
The offense would have been worse with Flynn if you go on pure statistics. He would have had less yards than JJ and his completion percentage is a full 8 points lower...
But with an experienced QB, I believe that games are called differently and the offensive game plan isn't as handcuffed.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:55 pm to Prominentwon
quote:+1
But with an experienced QB, I believe that games are called differently and the offensive game plan isn't as handcuffed.
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