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re: Crowton is staying
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:59 pm to stompinleo
Posted on 12/10/09 at 3:59 pm to stompinleo
Right, those are all good questions.
I'm not saying JJ is without fault, but he obviously played well enough to win a NC (according to the fact that Flynn put up the same numbers).
I went back and did a few game reviews and posted them on the rant and from the film I watched JJ was making plays a lot these last several weeks.
Specifically in the Ole Miss game - LaFell had at least 4 different drops on perfectly thrown passes. He catches those balls and we're never in those situations. This is a senior we're talking about.
JJ's major faults are: he holds the ball too long, doesn't feel the pocket very well and maybe doesn't know the offense (that is all speculative though).
I think the lack of running game really hurt in many ways. No ability to scare a pass rush. No ability to develop balance. No ability to protect JJ.
I'm not saying JJ is without fault, but he obviously played well enough to win a NC (according to the fact that Flynn put up the same numbers).
I went back and did a few game reviews and posted them on the rant and from the film I watched JJ was making plays a lot these last several weeks.
Specifically in the Ole Miss game - LaFell had at least 4 different drops on perfectly thrown passes. He catches those balls and we're never in those situations. This is a senior we're talking about.
JJ's major faults are: he holds the ball too long, doesn't feel the pocket very well and maybe doesn't know the offense (that is all speculative though).
I think the lack of running game really hurt in many ways. No ability to scare a pass rush. No ability to develop balance. No ability to protect JJ.
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Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:03 pm to OBUDan
quote:not its not...put a stop watch on him...he holds the ball to long..i personally think he has Lees Disease...he is gun shy after watching what happened to JL last year...
JJ's major faults are: he holds the ball too long, doesn't feel the pocket very well and maybe doesn't know the offense (that is all speculative though).
quote:yes he did...is that the OC?
Specifically in the Ole Miss game - LaFell had at least 4 different drops on perfectly thrown passes. He catches those balls and we're never in those situations. This is a senior we're talking about.
quote:this was HUGE!
I think the lack of running game really hurt in many ways. No ability to scare a pass rush. No ability to develop balance. No ability to protect JJ.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:04 pm to Prominentwon
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But with an experienced QB, I believe that games are called differently and the offensive game plan isn't as handcuffed.
That has something to do with it.
This is another thing that infuriates me about Crow.
Lee was thrown into the fire last year. They didn't seem to dial back any of the offense for him or try to protect him from himself. Week after week (well after he'd proven prone to make critical mistakes over the middle of the field), Lee would be out there again, throwing over the middle.
To me, that's bad coaching.
This year, I think they feared doing the same to JJ. They didn't want to throw him to the wolves like they did Lee in fear of permanently damaging his ego (like Lee's).
So the games are slightly more handcuffed etc. Perhaps that is because JJ can't retain as much of the offense at this point. Perhaps that's because it's not taught to him in an effective manner. When I see him speak though he doesn't seem like a dunce.
He's the one that said we should run it on that play against Georgia. He seems to have a feel for the game in that sense.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:05 pm to OBUDan
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I watched JJ was making plays a lot these last several weeks.
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JJ's major faults are: he holds the ball too long, doesn't feel the pocket very well and maybe doesn't know the offense (that is all speculative though).
I think that's huge, but it's a natural progression with all QB's. It's been happening throughout the history of the game. For the most part, you don't see major success until about their Jr. seasons. That's what I've been saying. If a QB is really successful, so is the team. If he's not, then they have to find other places on the team to help carry the load. Unfortunately, not alot of places on the offense helped carry that load. Hence the struggles.
Jefferson has improved as time went on which leads me to believe that he'll have a grasp of that offense by next year. In turn, he can carry the offense, not the other way around. If Crowton stays, it won't hurt my feelings. Even if though he really did call 3 passing plays at the end of the Ole Miss game. For that reason, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see him go.
This post was edited on 12/10/09 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:07 pm to stompinleo
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not its not...put a stop watch on him...
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
Holding on to the ball is one of his faults. I was saying it was speculative whether or not he knew the whole offense.
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yes he did...is that the OC?
No, but even still at the end of the game we could have been winners had GC decided to run the ball on 2nd down. GC called a pretty good game that day though. And the fact that we rolled almost entirely out of the pistol was a great move and kept OM off balance.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:07 pm to OBUDan
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The offense would have been worse with Flynn if you go on pure statistics. He would have had less yards than JJ and his completion percentage is a full 8 points lower...
that's why you don't go on pure statistics. Flynn gave defenses more to think about in the passing game because he could make a wider variety of throws...this opened up the running game. If you noticed during the Bama game, the running game opened up after Lee completed a couple of throws. (not a Lee argument at all). Flynn also could read a play better and get out of it if he needed to, no need for "check with me". Now, Flynn's physical skills aren't any better than JJ's, and he did make mistakes, but the offense was more potent because of Flynn managed it better and gave the defense more to think about(among other things).
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:09 pm to OBUDan
quote:no...
To me, that's bad coaching.
summer of 2008 a quote from Miles told to me by a $$TAFF$$ member...."i hurt team by cutting RP but it was the right thing to do LSU football. now i dont have a SEC ready QB and we are gonna pay dearly, but i think in 2-3 years we will be able, again, to compete on a national level." if you remember Hatch was the starter over Lee and JJ that tells a lot about our QB situation..
btw thats 2010/2011
This post was edited on 12/10/09 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:10 pm to OBUDan
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They didn't seem to dial back any of the offense for him or try to protect him from himself. Week after week (well after he'd proven prone to make critical mistakes over the middle of the field), Lee would be out there again, throwing over the middle.
he pretty much had to given how quickly that defense could give up points.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:11 pm to Prominentwon
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I think that's huge, but it's a natural progression with all QB's. It's been happening throughout the history of the game. For the most part, you don't see major success until about their Jr. seasons. That's what I've been saying. If a QB is really successful, so is the team. If he's not, then they have to find other places on the team to help carry the load. Unfortunately, not alot of places on the offense helped carry that load. Hence the struggles.
Jefferson has improved as time went on which leads me to believe that he'll have a grasp of that offense by next year. In turn, he can carry the offense, not the other way around. If Crowton stays, it won't hurt my feelings. Even if though he really did call 3 passing plays at the end of the Ole Miss game. For that reason, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see him go.
He's definitely gotten better. Anyone that disagrees with that isn't paying close attention.
And I agree, offense's generally perform much better with an experienced leader back there.
But like Hot Carl said in this thread earlier, I don't want an OC that is gonna put up an abomination just because we don't have experience at QB because that is bound to happen every few years...
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:14 pm to OBUDan
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I don't want an OC that is gonna put up an abomination just because we don't have experience at QB because that is bound to happen every few years...
If you know that you don't have a QB that isn't ready to win an SEC Champ., do you give him the whole playbook for experience?
Sure, they may have not dialed back the offense, but in the long run, it may pay off, IMO.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:14 pm to stompinleo
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summer of 2008 a quote from Miles told to me by a $$TAFF$$ member...."i hurt team by cutting RP but it was the right thing to do LSU football. now i dont have a SEC ready QB and we are gonna pay dearly, but i think in 2-3 years we will be able, again, to compete on a national level." if you remember Hatch was the starter over Lee and JJ that tells a lot about our QB situation..
yeah, that's fine and i understand that.
i'm not a miles hater, i'm really not. sure i got pissed, but i'm not gonna go calling for his head yet. the guy is a good coach, i don't really care what anyone says (and i can back that with statistics as well).
my issue is more with understanding and utilizing what you have. a good oc will understand what he's got and work with it and build a game plan around that. for two years now it seems GC hasn't done that...
Posted on 12/10/09 at 4:16 pm to ForeLSU
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he pretty much had to given how quickly that defense could give up points.
that definitely plays a factor. but why didn't we change styles?
like alabama this year. their offense is by no means explosive. but they play keep away. we ran at a pretty good rate last year (4.4 ypc). i think we should have tried to play a lot more ball control offense.
lee's picks were a large reason we got down by large deficits...
Posted on 12/10/09 at 5:45 pm to OBUDan
quote:indeed.
for two years now it seems GC hasn't done that..
Add to that the pathetic O-Line play the last 2 years.
I have said it a dozen times. As pitiful as Crowton's playcalling was this year, a slight improvement in the OL and we're undefeated. They have gotten worse every year under Stud.
Posted on 12/10/09 at 8:14 pm to Roaad
im just excited cause this is the longest thread ive ever started... 
Posted on 12/10/09 at 8:18 pm to stompinleo
looks like
Sonny/Belowpar-1
Scike/Brian ---0
Sonny/Belowpar-1
Scike/Brian ---0
Posted on 12/10/09 at 8:34 pm to Roaad
They should get negative points for this one. Getting no points just isn't good enough after all these times.
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