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re: Daughter of a senior EU official was raped and killed while out jogging

Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:22 pm to
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:22 pm to
I have little doubt rapes are low in Muslim countries due to harsh punishment and culture, but it seems to be akin to chattel slavery here. Ie the punishment has as much to do about the act to the victim as it does to the victim's place in society ie the property of family honor or her husband etc.

I, too, wonder how that mindset translates into western society if those folks see those women as free range cattle in a sense. To be used as pleased, as there is no honor to worry about when the victim and the family is non Muslim.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 11:23 pm
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
6913 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:25 pm to
Are you insane? The very reason his daughter was raped and drowned is because of his "cause". Then he goes on to ask people to donate to further his cause?!!

I'm a Christian. When Jesus said turn the other cheek, he didn't mean help keep the rapists around after they rape and drown your daughter. Jesus wasn't a brainwashed wimp.

God is a just God and it's obvious He believes in Law and Order - The 10 Comnandments. He's not as kumbayah as you think.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:32 pm to
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He's not as kumbayah as you think


I'm not Kumbayah either. I don't support any refugee programs at all. Not one. No exceptions.

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Are you insane? The very reason his daughter was raped and drowned is because of his "cause". Then he goes on to ask people to donate to further his cause?!!



Well it is pretty clear at this point that the translation in the OP was incorrect, but what you just said is completely incorrect. His daughter was raped and killed because an Afghan refugee raped her and killed her. Even if the original translation was correct, he in no way shape or form has endorsed such behavior or sponsored such behavior, or condoned the rape and murder of his daughter.

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I'm a Christian. When Jesus said turn the other cheek, he didn't mean help keep the rapists around after they rape and drown your daughter. Jesus wasn't a brainwashed wimp.



Nobody said he was. What Jesus did NOT say was "If someone from a country or particular religion harms you or your family, immediately judge everyone from that religion or country as though they committed the crime". So, again, even if they original translation was correct, It is ridiculous to trash talk a man who continues to be gracious despite the actions of a murderer and rapist. I find it despicable actually.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 11:39 pm to
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What happens when young men from a sexually restrictive culture move to the west? What happens when they encounter women who dress, in their view, like whores?



I think that we can all see that refugee programs are not a very good idea. Is that being disputed anywhere in this thread? Have I not said, at least three times now, that I DO NOT SUPPORT REFUGEE PROGRAMS? I have written at least 5000 words on that on this board.

I am not sure exactly what everyone's beef with what I am saying is. It's like if you don't want genocide for Muslims, or you refuse to believe in some vast Muslim conspiracy against the west you draw fire from every corner of the board.

There are enough legit problems and cultural issues with Muslims and Arabs that we don't have to make shite up or exaggerate the reality of the situation.

And just for the record, Muslim and Arab immigrants to the US do quite well, with Arabs achieving higher median incomes and higher degrees of education on average than native born Americans. This is true for almost all immigrant groups. So, I don't believe that rape and murder are a serious issue based solely on the fact that someone is Arab or Muslims.

I do think that Refugees are often the poorest and the least civilized people from their respective countries, and often we have serious issues integrating them into western culture.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19592 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 12:09 am to
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There are enough legit problems and cultural issues with Muslims and Arabs that we don't have to make shite up or exaggerate the reality of the situation.


I assume you would see higher rates of sexual assault due to the cultural gulf.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 12:10 am
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 12:26 am to
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I assume you would see higher rates of sexual assault due to the cultural gulf.



I don't think this is necessarily true. The middle east and Arabs have never been closer to the west than they are today. That is a fact. Our culture permeates their society now, after nearly a century of being up in their shite constantly, how could it not?

On my most recent travels to Iraq and a few gulf states, I recalled what the region was like in the early 2000s when I first traveled there. It is completely different now. Clothing, Music, cars, TV, Magazines, internet websites. It's all becoming a knock-off of American and European versions of the same. Slang has evolved to include more American English. American idioms have caught on in Arabic. Body language is shifting. People are more open to new things, and different ideas than they were when I first arrived. There has been some positive impacts from our continued presence there.

A lot of those progressions are stunted in the refugee population our dear leaders draw from. We pull from destitute societies and war torn countries. Often, the same countries in which the US precipitated a war or a coupe. The education level is low, the employment is low, the intelligence is low, the resources non-existent. Many of these people are used to tribal dynamics, some have never seen a major city. There are bound to be problems with integration, and I am sure that among those populations we will see more rape and sexual assault as well as murder and theft. That's just the reality of the issue.

That does not mean that everyone in their home country has a tendency for violence on women and children. Quite the opposite really. Most productive people in those countries can immigrate without a refugee program, or they don't want to immigrate because they are successful in their home country. This is as it SHOULD be. But alas, our genius leaders have decided that politics is more important that prosperity. Again.

The perception that rape and domestic violence are ingrained into the Muslim psyche is ridiculous. The breadth of "Muslim" culture is massive. there are over a billion of them, and they live on every habitable climate. There are cultural differences well beyond the Quran and Islam. I pointed out a major cultural distinction between Afghans and other Muslims in the child rape issues.

People forget that the US invaded 5 of these countries in the last 25 years, and have dropped bombs on virtually all of them in that span. Some of these countries are either at war, were at war recently, or have been inundated with refugees from war torn neighbors. That has grossly distorted the "societies" in these countries.


An example of this would be to compare the violence in Vietnam during the 50's, 60's and 70's to the violence levels today. There is certainly a massive difference in the raw and proportional numbers in comparison to the US, No? There is a pretty obvious explanation for that. The same could be said for war torn Russia, Germany (twice), and even the American Civil War.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 12:33 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19592 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 12:49 am to
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The perception that rape and domestic violence are ingrained into the Muslim psyche is ridiculous.



I don't think they are.

With that said, you mentioned up thread how these peoples protect their women - violently so.

What would they think of women who refuse to live by their norms? Would they still deserve protection? Or would they need censure?
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49168 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:46 am to
Looks like my post was RA'd and whacked, all I said was the cream of Germany was killed in WW2, I don't even think the historical accuracy of that statement is remotely debatable. The vast majority of the German armed forces were normal law abiding citizens.

Less than 10% were even Nazi party members. Many of those in Germany spared military service and being killed were Marxists, "slow", physically deficient etc.

There is a Genocide happening now and it's the Genocide of Western Europe!
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:48 am to
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Looks like my post was RA'd and whacked


If you want to know who rules you just look to see what you aren't allowed to talk about.

With all due respect, this places is a business so you can't say certain things of course. Even mildly suggestive of moneyed interests.

It is what it is
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
16197 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 8:54 am to
When will liberals learn that people are truly evil
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