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re: Was WCW Sabotaged?
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:46 pm to Lacour
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:46 pm to Lacour
If Jericho was competing for titles instead of unmasking every single luchadore, Chris Benoit and Sting used correctly, and Ric Flair allowed to even wrestle..maybe that wouldn't have happened..at least not as quick.
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:46 pm to mommas boy
Their was alot of 2nd tier guys that needed bigger pushes in wcw.
Mcmahon bought wcw at a very cheap price.
Mcmahon bought wcw at a very cheap price.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:49 pm to VermilionTiger
WCW was also hamstrung by "old" talent. hogan, hart, sting, flair, savage, Nash, etc. All past their prime. All 80s and 90s stars refusing to let go of the spotlight and make way for new faces.
People got tired of the same old same old. They couldn't keep up with the new faces and mic skills in WWF
People got tired of the same old same old. They couldn't keep up with the new faces and mic skills in WWF
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:50 pm to pioneerbasketball
Yeah, WCW pushed the wrong people
They had some new stable called the New Blood (Shawn Staziack, Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'hair and Mark Jindrack)..and Vince Russo was their "leader"..or Biscoff. Had some younger guys that he was pushing, but not the right guys.
Just too damn late.. Jericho, Perry Saturn, Benoit, Guerrero..they all had already left for the WWF. Imagine if they had those guys in 2000 and 2001 along with the New Blood guys
Not to mention Booker T was given the mega push, Goldberg was still hot, and String and Flair could have brought them even higher
They had some new stable called the New Blood (Shawn Staziack, Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'hair and Mark Jindrack)..and Vince Russo was their "leader"..or Biscoff. Had some younger guys that he was pushing, but not the right guys.
Just too damn late.. Jericho, Perry Saturn, Benoit, Guerrero..they all had already left for the WWF. Imagine if they had those guys in 2000 and 2001 along with the New Blood guys
Not to mention Booker T was given the mega push, Goldberg was still hot, and String and Flair could have brought them even higher
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:52 pm to Lacour
Sting wasn't past his prime in 2001. If the WCW wasn't so pathetic in 2001, he would have been the biggest name in wrestling.
The buildup between Sting and Hollywood Hogan for Starcade '97 was amazing
The buildup between Sting and Hollywood Hogan for Starcade '97 was amazing
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:52 pm to VermilionTiger
WCW went broke from bad contracts, such as guaranteed million dollar contracts for people like Nash, Goldberg, Hogan, etc to wrestle once per month at ppvs and never do house shows. Hell, even Miss Elizabeth had a guaranteed contract and all she did was walk to the ring, clap a couple of times, and walk to the back for a million bucks per year.
WCW lost viewers because Vince Russo wouldn't know what a good booked match looked like even if it was hanging on a 10' pole. He also pitched guys like Mike Awesome, Shane Douglas, Buff Bagwell, Vampiro, and "The Wall" to be the next big things while Vince was trotting out guys that WCW released as mid carders and turning them into stars.
WCW lost viewers because Vince Russo wouldn't know what a good booked match looked like even if it was hanging on a 10' pole. He also pitched guys like Mike Awesome, Shane Douglas, Buff Bagwell, Vampiro, and "The Wall" to be the next big things while Vince was trotting out guys that WCW released as mid carders and turning them into stars.
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:53 pm to pioneerbasketball
Thought this was a "Women Crush Wednesday" thread with pictures of women that made it to Sunday. Disappointed
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:53 pm to Zantrix
Yep..you're right. Especially the last part.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:54 pm to VermilionTiger
I remember switching back and forth between Raw and Nitro. The Nitro matches lasted forever. The mic segments were short. The setup to the feuds were weak.
Meanwhile over on USA, the Raw matches were short, the mic was electric.
I cared more about the setup than the matches. Most people did as well apparently
Meanwhile over on USA, the Raw matches were short, the mic was electric.
I cared more about the setup than the matches. Most people did as well apparently
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:56 pm to VermilionTiger
You can also add timewarner/aol merger.
They wanted nothing to do with wrestling despite it being the highest rated show on the network.
They wanted nothing to do with wrestling despite it being the highest rated show on the network.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:56 pm to Lacour
Apparently not 
They cared more about the 20 minute in-ring promo that the nWo had to cut than what Mankind was doing and what DX was getting themselves into
WCW from '96-'98 was really really good. The Luchadore matches were amazing quality, IMO. Mid Carders carried the show..and the star power capped it off.
They cared more about the 20 minute in-ring promo that the nWo had to cut than what Mankind was doing and what DX was getting themselves into
WCW from '96-'98 was really really good. The Luchadore matches were amazing quality, IMO. Mid Carders carried the show..and the star power capped it off.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:56 pm to MauriceCheeksJr
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:56 pm to pioneerbasketball
quote:
They wanted nothing to do with wrestling despite it being the highest rated show on the network.
Speaking of that..I remember the old NBA on TNT commercials..the Movies for Guys Who Like Movies..Dinner and Movie..good stuff.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 4:58 pm to VermilionTiger
I began watching wrestling in late 98. Watched till about early 2002.
Haven't watched since.
WWE started having the same feuds over and over again. It got really boring.
Only glanced at it since.
It looks terrible now.
Haven't watched since.
WWE started having the same feuds over and over again. It got really boring.
Only glanced at it since.
It looks terrible now.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 5:00 pm to Lacour
Well you started a few years too late
FWIW, I don't remember it all that vividly.. I was maybe 6 and 7 when I was watching (I'm 24 now).
Justin.TV did have a channel that showed Monday Night Nitro, and I used to watch that at work during my night shift job a few years back. I really learned to appreciate how good the writing was.
FWIW, I don't remember it all that vividly.. I was maybe 6 and 7 when I was watching (I'm 24 now).
Justin.TV did have a channel that showed Monday Night Nitro, and I used to watch that at work during my night shift job a few years back. I really learned to appreciate how good the writing was.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 5:01 pm to pioneerbasketball
No.
Miss-management, no discipline, huge salaries, huge roster, weak and abandoned storylines, bad presentation, bitterness, politics, jealousy, horrible booking, no leadership.
Honestly, it jumped the shark. Then the wwf was on a roll with Stone Cold, The Rock, McMahon, Michaels, Undertaker, Mankind, DX, and even the midcards were over. McMahon was great.
Miss-management, no discipline, huge salaries, huge roster, weak and abandoned storylines, bad presentation, bitterness, politics, jealousy, horrible booking, no leadership.
Honestly, it jumped the shark. Then the wwf was on a roll with Stone Cold, The Rock, McMahon, Michaels, Undertaker, Mankind, DX, and even the midcards were over. McMahon was great.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 5:02 pm to Zantrix
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Vince Russo wouldn't know what a good booked match looked like even if it was hanging on a 10' pole.
Google Jim Cornette and Vince Russo. Cornette give absolutely zero fricks about Russo, and isn't afraid to say so. Not to mention his Youtube shoots are freaking HILARIOUS. The drive through incident is hilarious.
Funny, I grew up hating Cornette, but man, he's awesome.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 5:03 pm to ChuckM
Vince Russo was the head writer for the attitude era. His story lines are what put WWF over
Posted on 8/17/14 at 5:05 pm to Lacour
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His story lines are what put WWF over
Read Cornette's Wrestle Zone's interviews with Cornette. He'd disagree with you, saying Russo didn't know shite, and couldn't promote Wrestling. But maybe he promoted the crap that some people liked.
ETA: Wrestle Zone
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 8/17/14 at 5:05 pm to VermilionTiger
Disco Inferno was the best jobber
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