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re: taking down General Lee statue in the CBD?

Posted on 6/24/15 at 6:47 am to
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 6:47 am to
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Besides the fact your quotes numbers are wrong the citation of said data belies the fact that non-slaveholding whites benefited greatly from slavery. People often quote that a small minority of whites owned slaves but that hardly matters. Even if only 1.4 percent of whites owned slaves, slaves accounted for 33% of the Southern population and were the backbone of the economy. In 1860, 89 percent of the nation's African Americans were slaves. That's the entire nation not just the South. Sure some people want to say oh but some colored people owned slaves but inconsequential to this point. If you were a poor non-slaveholding white the fact negro slavery existed meant there were always someone lower on the social and economic ladder. It meant that some poor black girl was being whipped to pick the cotton. It meant if you were a poor white that couldn't afford a slave you could find a job to whip that girl rather than the one picking the cotton. It meant there were jobs available where you could be paid to hunt down that runaway girl after she couldn't take the whippings of the overseer and the sexual abuse of her owner. You could find a job on a steamboat that transported slaves down river as they were sold from Virginia and the Carolinas to the Deep South. You could work as a clerk in an financial office who insured the transportation of the slaves or work for the bank that loaned money for the purchase of slaves. You could sweep the floors of the slave auction house. And why would you work all these jobs? Because maybe one day you could save up enough to buy your own slave.


Disagree with this part of the post. Slavery depressed wages for poor whites. Nobody was going to pay them to work the fields when they could just use government-backed violence to force people to work for free. So none of the agricultural jobs were available which meant more competition for the remaining jobs...and that means lower wages 100% of the time.

Slavery benefited the rich and only the rich.
Posted by fouldeliverer
Lannisport
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:06 am to
I'm not an economic historian, and economics is not my strength. Delving into the economic history is a chore for me. With that said, from my research and taking courses and reading books about antebellum economics slavery was a net boon for everyone even poor whites. For example the steamboat industry was a 200 million dollar industry, mainly transporting cotton and later slaves as it expanded south and west. Much of those jobs relating to the steamboat industry would not have existed without plantation slavery. That is just one example. Agriculturally related jobs for whites were still available but they revolved around keeping the slaves in line or to a higher degree selling, transporting, insuring the slaves and cotton. This is not to mention the Northern and British jobs at textile mills manufacturing the cotton.

Even if we disagree that it did not benefit them economically it did benefit them socially and politically. Many poor whites abused both enslaved and free blacks. They could always say that though they were poor at least they weren't a damn n---r. And many did write that in their journals. The rich also used slavery and racist propaganda to get poor whites to support them politically even when it wasn't on their best interests.
Posted by terd ferguson
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:14 am to
They should change the name to Hero Circle and put a big ol' statue of Caitlyn Jenner there.
Posted by YouAre8Up
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Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:17 am to
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Can't erase what happened.. If you don't talk about history, it's bound to happen again...


Give them time and they will. Pretty soon they will begin to erase or alter history books.

I'm surprised that they haven't made claims on how all the founding fathers were racist yet.
Posted by terd ferguson
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:19 am to
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I'm surprised that they haven't made claims on how all the founding fathers were racist yet.


Sarcasm?
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118246 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:20 am to
This is about free speech. Not hate crimes, or racism.

Time to change the narrative, the way the hippy liberal douches do.
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:20 am to
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Sarcasm?


Can you tell?
Posted by terd ferguson
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114706 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:22 am to
Have you seen some of the idiots that post here... can't always tell.
Posted by fleaux
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:33 am to
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poor whites abused both enslaved and free blacks. They could always say that though they were poor at least they weren't a damn n---r.


Yeah yets just say a bunch of crap that nobody can disprove so it must be fact
Posted by mkibod1
South of the Donna Dixon Line
Member since Jan 2011
4746 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:09 am to
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Also, they could remove Andrew Jacksons because he was a shitty president, and the battle of New Orleans happened after the war of 1812 ended anyway


I know! Nobody had the decency to tweet, text, or call him to let him know the battle was unnecessary? Damn you Hickory!
Posted by Mosquito
Mississippi
Member since Apr 2015
275 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:11 am to
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All we can do is let them run wild with it until they get tired of it, and the news moves on to something else. The proponents of this mass hysteria will wake one day to observe that not one real problem was solved by all of their efforts.
Posted by mkibod1
South of the Donna Dixon Line
Member since Jan 2011
4746 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:14 am to
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George Washington Carver, was a slave owner..


Damn it!!! Now we gotta remove peanut butter from society.
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