re: Saints sign junior gallette

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Not really. Ryan doesn't run the spacing eating d-linemen 3-4. Look at Ratliff. Hicks would actually be the perfect nose for his scheme

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You realize Ryan was just working with what he had right? Dallas didn't have that space eating NT. Just look at his brother's defense with the Jets. They want the stereotypical NT. Hicks could do that if they ask him to, but he has Richard Seymour type potential at DE.

I haven't seen numbers yet on Galette, but given our cap issue I have to imagine the first year is less than the $2 mil tender otherwise we would have left him on the tender.

My guess is a cheap $1-1.5 mil first year, maybe with some incentives(that would kick in next year).

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They played a 4-3(one big dt and one small) in 2008. They didn't even have Sapp that year as he retired.

And in 2007 Sapp played as a dt in their 4-3 scheme.

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Rob Ryan has experience running both 3-4 and 4-3. But in his 3-4 his uses penetrators on the line. Some big guys can penetrate, but he doesn't use the space eaters in his 3-4.

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Looking back, the raiders never ran the 3-4 as their base with Ryan. It wasn't until he went to cleveland that he went back to the 3-4.

Like Williams, he used a hybrid scheme. But it was still a base 4-3. Just because a guy doesn't put his hand down doesn't mean he isn't a de. He still had de responsibilities.

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This also says de.

I believe what you're remembering is that he was an olb when Ryan did use a 3-4 and when he went to the pats for a season they used him as an olb when they used a 3-4.

He was mainly a de his whole career.

Go to nfl.com and look at their Patriots depth chart for last year. It has them set in a 4-3.

49er's.com has Justin Smith listed as a DT . Point being, you can't go by what position these guys are listed.

Patriots switch back and forth a lot. Watch any of their games and you'll see a GW type of switch even sometimes from play to play.

But yes, I think last year they used more 4-3 base, but before that they were using 3-4 a lot the last few years.

As for Burgess, think what you want, but everything I'm seeing says he was a de before going to the pats. With Ryan he was used as an olb at times when he did use the 3-4, but they were base 4-3.

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I'm looking for something more concrete, but it says Ryan has run the 4-3, and in Cleveland and Dallas he only used a 3-4(meaning Oakland would be the only stop he ran a 4-3).

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For Smith, some sites just use dt instead of nt. Notice no one on their team is listed at nt.

Here is some story on Sapp:

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"Sapp started all 16 games in his first season in Oakland, splitting time at defensive end as well as defensive tackle."

"Warren lost an estimated 20 pounds before joining the Raiders in 2004."

"Sapp's 2005 season started out as a great year for Sapp, as he was moved back to his familiar DT position."

Ryan was first hired in 2004(when Sapp got there) and he tried using more elements of the 3-4 that year(the reason why Sapp bounced back and forth).

But after that year he used primarily 4-3 precisely because Sapp was unhappy about being used as a de.

They certainly weren't using a 280 lbs. Sapp as a space eating dt at ANY point.

And even if you were correct about the raiders using a 3-4 primarily(which you aren't), it would just prove more that Hicks fits Ryan's nose better if that is what they had Sapp doing, since he did start every game(save for the 6 he missed in 2005) from 2005-2007 when he was only playing dt(he also started every game in 2004 while playing dt and de).

So again, in summary, when Ryan runs a 3-4 he uses penetrating linemen, not space eaters. Go do some research if you don't believe me. Even when he had a mammoth guy, Shaun Rogers who he inherited, he used him as a penetrator(especially when they switched him to de in 2010).

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"During the 2010 offseason, Rogers was involved in trade rumors, but the Browns ultimately decided to keep him and move him to 3-4 defensive end, which is believed to better suit his skills than the nose tackle position."

Ryan does not want a big guy in the middle of his 3-4. This is why Payton did not mention nt at all when discussing positions of "musts, needs, and wants". He called out LT and backup QB as musts and OLB and DE as needs.

He was a backup. Not a full time starting DE.

Wikepedia? All I know is if you look at the personnel from those Raiders teams, all the players are 3-4 personnel. They have 280 pound guys listed at OLB. They have smaller DT's at DE. They have massive guys at DT.

One more thing on Ninkovich, he was used purely as a pass rush specialist with Saints. He is not an every down 4-3 DE, even though he is listed as such with Patriots. Again, look at the personnel instead of going by what you are reading.