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Quincy Jones No Songwriting Credits?

Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:30 pm
Posted by sugar71
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:30 pm
Jones started the music industry around 1954 & in over 60 years off music has zero sole songwriting credits( non Jazz).

Am I overlooking his songs?


A co-worker has suggested that somehow Quincy Jones ' probably' wrote the music to Jackson penned songs. Jackson has receipts ( credits) for his music .


In over 62 years of music Jones has zero top 10 songwriting credits & shares 1 credit for a reworking of MJ demo of "PYT".

1)Where are Quincy Jones receipts? Did he just give away hundreds of millions of dollars of music credits/ royalties? Not understand after decades in the business how to get songwriting credits?

2) Links to any claims by Jones in which he suggests he ghost wrote anything ?

3) Lawsuits by Jones for being beaten out of songwriting by MJ or any artist?


The Iconic Theme to Sanford & Son is perhaps Jones only sole songwriting credit that's part of the popular imagination.


This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 2:52 pm to
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1 credit for a reworking of MJ demo of "PYT".


He shares credit with James Ingram for this song - the only thing the MJ demo gave them was the title.

I don't think Quincy Jones is much of a lyricist. Neither is Sir Elton. It happens. That's going to make it tough to generate a lot of solo credits for pop/rock/country/r&b/soul songs.

He's more of a "composer" and producer than anything, including "songwriter." He would probably consider the distinction I just made as a compliment.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 2:53 pm
Posted by geauxbrown
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 4:20 pm to
Not a writer, rather one of those wonderfully gifted musicians/producers who had the ability to take a 3:30 demo and turn it into pure gold. He had an unreal ability to bring together the perfect players for different projects.
Posted by YouAre8Up
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Am I overlooking his songs?


He's a producer.
Posted by sugar71
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:31 pm to
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I don't think Quincy Jones is much of a lyricist. Neither is Sir Elton. It happens. That's going to make it tough to generate a lot of solo credits for pop/rock/country/r&b/soul songs.

He's more of a "composer" and producer than anything, including "songwriter." He would probably consider the distinction I just made as a compliment.


Point being Quincy Jones has little to no co- songwriting credits either in Pop music because he is not a composer of pop music. Jones is almost completely incapable of writing such music & is out of his element.


See "Bitter Sweet Symphony " in which the young artists simply took a few string arrangements from a Rollin Stones tune( Last Time). Richards & Jagger took full Credit from the poor guy & won a damn songwriting Grammy. Despite Richards & Jagger not writing the original string section.




You are still subtly suggesting that Jones may have ' composed' instrumentals for others like Michael Jackosn ,but he didn't & if so he would have easily gotten credit & hundreds of millions of dollars.

Jones has neither claim he composed any music or asked for credit for composing any pop music .

He may have provided instrumentals to one hit song in over 62 years . He does have several more minor hits with huge group credits.


One can't simply slap lyrics on music & get full songwriting credit .





This post was edited on 5/25/16 at 3:47 pm
Posted by sugar71
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 3:43 pm to
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He's a producer.
exactly.

And that's all he is ,but some suggest he had a hand in writing ' music' for acts like Jackson which is absurd since he would certainly get credit .


1)Producers job is to help pick the right songs for an album & Jones says that's 50% of his entire job.

2) obtaining a budget
3) booking studio time
4) hiring session musicians if needed
5) hiring arrangers
6) hiring mixers/ engineers
6) help with theme/ promotion
7) ensuring that a professional record is finished in timely manner


Jones contributions get overrated because people think he is a "Producer / writer" like many young Producers today ,but he wasn't.

He was a "session manager" & not some secret ghost writer of Artist like Jackson.








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