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re: The Confession Tapes
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:00 pm to JBeam
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:00 pm to JBeam
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Also, the Washington police never looked into the terror group that had killed another East Indian family previously in the Bellevue area.
One great thing about this series is it shows - what people in the know have been saying for years - and frankly a defense that worked for OJ.
Cops and the state focus first on the suspect and then try to find evidence to convict them vs. following the evidence to the suspect.
And it's always family. Because stats tell them so...so it's husbands, brothers, sons they zero in on from Day 1 and then try to build a case. And if other leads surface that is mostly ignored.
Dershowitz talked about this a long time ago - the tunnel vision of the State in prosecutions of crimes. They come up with a theory early on and then try to prove it. Damn the evidence to the contrary.
Which is scary...because in essence what the State is telling the defendant - we find you guilty before any evidence is gathered (which is why police love confessions - they don't have to find any evidence linking you to the crime) - they picked up the defendants and worked backwards - instead of working forwards - evidence first then suspect; not supsect first and then evidence...and now we're going to try and find evidence to prove that presumption.
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 4:00 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I rewatched the 1st episode.
Unbelievable how they were convicted. It feels like 19th century justice.
The entire evidence is a stool pigeon afraid of prosecution and a false confession to impress fake undercover cop mobsters.
No physical evidence, they had alibis, it was all on entrapment with these fake mobsters and leaning on a friend to implicate them - he fled to Japan to avoid testifying...but was forced to come back to testify against them...and even called the defense team and said "if I testify for you, what would that mean for me?"
Unbelievable how they were convicted. It feels like 19th century justice.
The entire evidence is a stool pigeon afraid of prosecution and a false confession to impress fake undercover cop mobsters.
No physical evidence, they had alibis, it was all on entrapment with these fake mobsters and leaning on a friend to implicate them - he fled to Japan to avoid testifying...but was forced to come back to testify against them...and even called the defense team and said "if I testify for you, what would that mean for me?"
Posted on 5/24/18 at 4:28 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I'm hesitant to watch.
It's so frustrating watching simple-minded people under relatively mild duress admit to crimes they never committed.
Outside of water-boarding or some other form of extreme torture, there's no fricking way I'm confessing to something I didn't do.
I end up investing too much empathy on sad souls waiting for justice to right the wrong orchestrated by manipulative interrogators, all the while realizing the victims brought that shite on themselves.
It's so frustrating watching simple-minded people under relatively mild duress admit to crimes they never committed.
Outside of water-boarding or some other form of extreme torture, there's no fricking way I'm confessing to something I didn't do.
I end up investing too much empathy on sad souls waiting for justice to right the wrong orchestrated by manipulative interrogators, all the while realizing the victims brought that shite on themselves.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 4:34 pm to LSUFreek
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Outside of water-boarding or some other form of extreme torture, there's no fricking way I'm confessing to something I didn't do.
Everyone says that but the evidence is to the contrary.
It's not simple-minded people. Just like a Viet-cong interrogation where POWs blame the USA for agression people have breaking points.
And in this case...these were smart kids...and they didn't know they were supposedly confessing...they were just bragging to mobsters to look cool in an undercover set-up and entrapment. They wanted a job from them and the cop-mobsters kept pressing them to prove they were cool. It was childish nonsense.
And people confess all the time because police will promise you...I'll let you go or make it easy on you if you just confess...just tell us the truth and we'll let you get back to work. For most people that's their first interaction with cops outside of a traffic ticket and they have been brainwashed by TV to think cops are there to help you.
False confessions are about isolation, mind control, fake promises and preconceived ideas.
You don't have to be an idiot to falsely confess.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 5:09 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
In one episode the woman says..."well I guess I apparently did it."
Cop: "What makes you say that?"
Suspect: "Well the test says I did it, I don't remember doing it but you say the test says I'm lying. I still don't believe I did it but everything points to me apparently doing it. I don't have it in my mind at all that I did it but I see the results of the tests and I know they are foolproof, so I guess I did it."
Cop: "How did it happen?"
Suspect: "I don't know, I don't remember...apparently I did something but I have no memory of doing anything bad."
Cop: "If you dreamed about this happening, what would it be like?"
Suspect: "I don't know, I guess I just went insane or something...that must have happened...because I don't recall anything."
People confess to things they didn't do all the time.
You know you are driving 55 MPH and a cop pulls you over and says you were driving 65 MPH and you agree and acquiese and take the ticket. Maybe you were wrong, he must be right, he has a radar gun.
Cop: "What makes you say that?"
Suspect: "Well the test says I did it, I don't remember doing it but you say the test says I'm lying. I still don't believe I did it but everything points to me apparently doing it. I don't have it in my mind at all that I did it but I see the results of the tests and I know they are foolproof, so I guess I did it."
Cop: "How did it happen?"
Suspect: "I don't know, I don't remember...apparently I did something but I have no memory of doing anything bad."
Cop: "If you dreamed about this happening, what would it be like?"
Suspect: "I don't know, I guess I just went insane or something...that must have happened...because I don't recall anything."
People confess to things they didn't do all the time.
You know you are driving 55 MPH and a cop pulls you over and says you were driving 65 MPH and you agree and acquiese and take the ticket. Maybe you were wrong, he must be right, he has a radar gun.
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 5:16 pm
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