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Posted on 8/22/09 at 11:43 am to arrakis
quote:Wouldn't be an issue, but Tech is a collective pussy that is afraid to play ULM. Therefore, ULM resorts to alternative methods, and Arkansas was happy to oblige.
Damn, that's WEAK. I didn't realize Northeast was trying to make a go of it at 1A.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 11:45 am to captfun
Tech's share of the I-Bowl payout was 900K...that's 100K for each WAC program (if the new programs get a full share...not sure).
Yes, ULM had a packed house for Grambling...2/3 of the crowd was Grambling fans.
Tech has been there and done that with ULM. Once we spank them a few times, their fans quit showing up. The benefit of playing ULM is minimal at best.
Oh, and ULM didn't have the dough to buy out of the basketball series (at 50K per contest), so they didn't "drop" Tech in any sports that already had contracts.
Yes, ULM had a packed house for Grambling...2/3 of the crowd was Grambling fans.
Tech has been there and done that with ULM. Once we spank them a few times, their fans quit showing up. The benefit of playing ULM is minimal at best.
Oh, and ULM didn't have the dough to buy out of the basketball series (at 50K per contest), so they didn't "drop" Tech in any sports that already had contracts.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 11:45 am to xiv
quote:
but Tech is a collective pussy that is afraid to play ULM.
Riding that horse into the ground, I see.
quote:
ULM resorts to alternative methods, and Arkansas was happy to oblige.
But, doesn't that indicate Northeast can't meet the basic requirements on it's own merits?
Posted on 8/22/09 at 11:49 am to xiv
quote:
Wouldn't be an issue, but Tech is a collective pussy that is afraid to play ULM. Therefore, ULM resorts to alternative methods, and Arkansas was happy to oblige
Trying to have a civil conversation without resorting to name calling, and you break this out...weak, dude....
And why should Northeast have to rely on Tech to meet the minimum requirements? You should be able to draw the required amount of fans on your own, or at least not have to count a game in one your opponents "home" stadiums.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 11:49 am to arrakis
quote:Not at all. Though the Arkansas game boosted attendance, ULM's average attendance was well above the requirement last year.
But, doesn't that indicate Northeast can't meet the basic requirements on it's own merits?
Posted on 8/22/09 at 11:51 am to johnnylightnin
quote:Yeah, only those 2nd rate programs like to pack stadiums.
Tech has been there and done that with ULM. Once we spank them a few times, their fans quit showing up. The benefit of playing ULM is minimal at best.
Serious, non-mocking question: when was the last time the Joe was packed for a non-ULM contest?
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:05 pm to xiv
When was the last time it was packed for a ULM contest? I was at the last game of the series...there were 14K there.
Like I said, ULM fans quit traveling. You've already illustrated (by your incredibly weak explanation of the Arkansas game) that ULM needs this game more than Tech.
We've had NO trouble filling our schedule and we're all booked up through about 2013.
It's not personal ULM, it's business. The guys on our schedule make better business sense. If you can't understand why a one and done with Nicholls makes more sense than a 1 for 1 with ULM, then an explanation would likely be too difficult for you to understand.
Like I said, ULM fans quit traveling. You've already illustrated (by your incredibly weak explanation of the Arkansas game) that ULM needs this game more than Tech.
We've had NO trouble filling our schedule and we're all booked up through about 2013.
It's not personal ULM, it's business. The guys on our schedule make better business sense. If you can't understand why a one and done with Nicholls makes more sense than a 1 for 1 with ULM, then an explanation would likely be too difficult for you to understand.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:08 pm to johnnylightnin
I'm pretty skeptical that the nine WAC members each received $100K from the I-Bowl. A paltry amount if true, btw.
Here's an interesting postscript article regarding the pros/cons of Northern Illinois having played in the I-Bowl. Note they ended up in the hole, though receiving a $750K payout. That is what is stated to be the payout to at-large rather than conference tie-in teams.
Northern Illinois I-Bowl Reflection Article
The Bill
After adding up expenses and revenues from the 2008 Independence Bowl, Northern Illinois Univeristy came away with a deficit of $154,125, which will be covered by internal athletic funds.
Here is a general breakdown of the deficit.
Total expenses: $934,791
Independence Bowl payout: $750,000
Ticket revenue: $38,880 (approx. 2,000 tickets sold)
Other revenue/expenses paid for: $21,166
Money paid back to MAC: $29,380
Total net expenses to NIU: $154,125
Source: NIU Athletic Department
Now the Techsters didn't have air fare, but surely had other expenses, guaranteed tickets, etc. Have any similar published info on Tech's true financial results after the game?
Here's an interesting postscript article regarding the pros/cons of Northern Illinois having played in the I-Bowl. Note they ended up in the hole, though receiving a $750K payout. That is what is stated to be the payout to at-large rather than conference tie-in teams.
Northern Illinois I-Bowl Reflection Article
The Bill
After adding up expenses and revenues from the 2008 Independence Bowl, Northern Illinois Univeristy came away with a deficit of $154,125, which will be covered by internal athletic funds.
Here is a general breakdown of the deficit.
Total expenses: $934,791
Independence Bowl payout: $750,000
Ticket revenue: $38,880 (approx. 2,000 tickets sold)
Other revenue/expenses paid for: $21,166
Money paid back to MAC: $29,380
Total net expenses to NIU: $154,125
Source: NIU Athletic Department
Now the Techsters didn't have air fare, but surely had other expenses, guaranteed tickets, etc. Have any similar published info on Tech's true financial results after the game?
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:10 pm to johnnylightnin
quote:The teams were a combined 3-17 going into that game. Ok, so I'll give you that--when the teams are both in the top 100
When was the last time it was packed for a ULM contest? I was at the last game of the series...there were 14K there.
, then the fans will come. Often one or both is/are bad, but how often are they that bad?quote:It's business mixed with the delusion that a CUSA invitation is inevitable, and that not playing ULM helps at all. It simply doesn't.
It's not personal ULM, it's business.
This post was edited on 8/22/09 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:11 pm to johnnylightnin
Can't locate 2008, but Northeast's 2007 home attendance avg. was 16651; with 15k being the min requirement. Anyone know the 2008 numbers and how they compare with Tech?
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:14 pm to xiv
quote:
It's business mixed with the delusion that a CUSA invitation is inevitable, and that not playing ULM helps at all. It simply doesn't.
Forget CUSA for a little while. You tell me how a home and home with ULM is more beneficial than a home and home with Mississippi State, Houston, or USM.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:16 pm to arrakis
quote:
Can't locate 2008, but Northeast's 2007 home attendance avg. was 16651
You take the "home" game against Arkansas out of the equation and ULM is getting a letter from the NCAA. They need the Little Rock game to meet the requirements (but apparently that's all tech's fault).
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:18 pm to johnnylightnin
quote:It isn't.
You tell me how a home and home with ULM is more beneficial than a home and home with Mississippi State
quote:Maybe 20k each game. ULM gives you maybe 30k as long as the teams aren't god-awful (even for their own standards).
Forget CUSA for a little while. You tell me how a home and home with ULM is more beneficial than a home and home with Houston.
quote:Same as Houston.
Forget CUSA for a little while. You tell me how a home and home with ULM is more beneficial than a home and home with USM.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:18 pm to xiv
quote:
quote:
96. La.-Monroe 6 117,116 19,519
105. Louisiana Tech 6 108,121 18,020
Take out the 55K from Little Rock and what've you got?
12,412
This post was edited on 8/22/09 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:22 pm to xiv
I can find a link too...
117,116 - 55,088 = 62,028
62,028 / 5 = 12,405
18,020 > 12,405
117,116 - 55,088 = 62,028
62,028 / 5 = 12,405
18,020 > 12,405
This post was edited on 8/22/09 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:23 pm to johnnylightnin
quote:No.
Take out the 55K from Little Rock
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:23 pm to xiv
quote:
Maybe 20k each game. ULM gives you maybe 30k as long as the teams aren't god-awful (even for their own standards).
No they don't. Look at the history.
Posted on 8/22/09 at 12:24 pm to johnnylightnin
quote:And you look at a home/away with Houston and a home/away with ULM as an either/or situation. There's four OOC games per year. Why not both?
No they don't. Look at the history.
(Fear.)
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