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Rondo's travel last game

Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:09 am
Posted by RelientAA
Member since Oct 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:09 am
Does anybody remember Rondo diving for the ball by Jason Williams? He picked up the ball and got up on his feet without dribbling. In any other level of basketball this is a travel but apparently not in the NBA. Since When?
Posted by dockstar99
Member since Nov 2009
876 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:11 am to
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In any other level of basketball this is a travel but apparently not in the NBA. Since When?


Does the NBA even call traveling???

I thought they did away with that rule years ago
Posted by RelientAA
Member since Oct 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:14 am to
That is what I thought at first. But in their rule book it actually states that specific incident is not a travel.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
8841 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:19 am to
That wasn't a travel. He pinned the ball on the floor and got up. That wouldn't even be a travel in college ball.
Posted by RelientAA
Member since Oct 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:20 am to
I didnt think he pinned it, but your right about that part.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40775 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:22 am to
I thought it was a travel also. Can anyone find the rule and quote it please.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38119 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:24 am to
I think if he had picked the ball up as he was getting off the floor, it would have been a travel. But since he pinned the ball to the floor, stood up, then picked the ball off the floor, I think it's legit.
Posted by RelientAA
Member since Oct 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:27 am to
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This is an example of LEGAL play by an offensive player in possession of the ball. When in possession of the ball while on the floor, an offensive player is permitted to stand up, establish a pivot foot and resume play. Here, the offensive player loses the ball and then regains possession after going to the floor. He then regains his feet, establishes his pivot and resumes play. This is a legal play
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LINK
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38119 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:27 am to


Section XIV-Traveling
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultane- ously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.
The second occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
c. A player who comes to a stop on the count of one may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
d. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with one foot in advance of the other, may pivot using only the rear foot as the pivot foot.
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.
f. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player's hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
g. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
h. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding.
i. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player.
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the sideline, nearest spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended.



It doesn't say anything about what Rondo did.
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 9:29 am
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40775 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:28 am to
quote:

This is an example of LEGAL play by an offensive player in possession of the ball. When in possession of the ball while on the floor, an offensive player is permitted to stand up, establish a pivot foot and resume play. Here, the offensive player loses the ball and then regains possession after going to the floor. He then regains his feet, establishes his pivot and resumes play. This is a legal play


This makes alot of sense
Posted by RelientAA
Member since Oct 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:30 am to
Read my post. It talks about that specific situation where he picks the ball up and establishes a pivot foot. In any other level of basketball that is a travel. This does not talk about him pinning the ball on the ground which is not illegal.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38119 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:42 am to
Thanks for the link.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
8841 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:15 am to
Look at it again. He didn't pick the ball up until he was on his feet. He pinned the ball on the floor and got up.
Posted by RelientAA
Member since Oct 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:17 am to
Where is it at? I cant find Rondo's.
Posted by slim thug
Member since Apr 2010
8004 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:18 am to
it wasnt a travel bc the ball didnt leave the ground until rondo was on his feet. it was a very, very smart play on his part
Posted by RelientAA
Member since Oct 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:20 am to
quote:

it was a very, very smart play on his part


ehh probably more instincts. But want I want to konw is why the NBA changed this rule where you CAN pick up the ball THEN get up and establish your pivot foot. Thats just stupid.
Posted by slim thug
Member since Apr 2010
8004 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:26 am to
he didnt do that

he pushed himself up on his feet and kept the ball touching the floor

once his feet were set, he picked the ball up and made a move

totally legit
Posted by RelientAA
Member since Oct 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:29 am to
No I get what you are saying. I just didnt remember him keeping the ball on the floor. I am saying the rule states you can pick the ball up then get up and establish a pivot foot, which is not what rondo did. And this is not legal anywhere else. Why did they change it?
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38119 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:43 am to
quote:

he pushed himself up on his feet and kept the ball touching the floor

once his feet were set, he picked the ball up and made a move

totally legit


According to the rule, it didn't matter if he kept the ball on the floor or not. It's not a travel even if he picked the ball up before he stood up.

I don't know why this is...but that's the rule.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202718 posts
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:50 am to
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But want I want to konw is why the NBA changed this rule where you CAN pick up the ball THEN get up and establish your pivot foot. Thats just stupid



Does ANY of this really matter????????
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