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re: The real issue with Miles and QB position
Posted on 8/6/15 at 2:57 pm to chilge1
Posted on 8/6/15 at 2:57 pm to chilge1
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Well, in the last 40 years.. you have Russell, Howard, Hodson, Tyler, and Wickersham.
Russell? He started all of 2005 except the bowl game. That's 12 games. He started all of 2006, I think. That's 13 more. I think he started four games as a freshman in 2004, so that's 29.
Howard, yes he probably started 34 or more games. Where does he rank on those career stats?
Hodson, yes. And I would guess he is ahead of JJ in basically all of the career stats you cited, except maybe something like completion percentage.
Tyler, yes, and he probably ranks behind JJ in the passing stats, too, because we ran the ball practically all the time when he was here.
Wickersham? It's close. He started 1983, 1984 and 1985, so that's 35, assuming he never missed a start in those three years. Again, where does he rank in career passing stats compared to JJ?
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I'm sure there are a handful more from 1896-1980.
I doubt it. Teams only played 10 regular season games a year until the early '70s, there weren't as many bowls, and freshmen weren't eligible until the '70s. Doubtful that many, if any, from before 1970 would even have been on the team for 34 games in their careers, let alone started them all. In the '70s, Bert Jones split time as a starter for 2 or 3 years as did Steve Ensminger and David Woodley, so it's unlikely any of them had 34 starts.
So, you've come up with four QBs in program history who have started 34 or more games, and I would bet that at least two and probably three of them are ahead of JJ in the stats you mentioned. Somewhere, there are still two or three more who lead him in at least some of those stats (since you said he was in the top 6), even though they started fewer games.
The point remains valid. JJ ranks high in career passing stats because of the sheer number of starts, arising mostly out of the fact that his only competition for the job was Jarrett Lee, he played in the era of 12 game regular seasons and on teams that always went to bowls.
This post was edited on 8/6/15 at 3:02 pm
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Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:14 pm to Mountainhead
Wait. You think pushing caps means I'm actually upset? Maybe you need to stop living your life on a message board. Capitalizing words is used to emphasize words. This just goes to show how much of a beta you are because you actually think anything on here could actually make me upset. yeah I'm so livid that my thumb pushed the arrow on my phone to capitalize words. Get out in the real world and stop taking sports message boards as if they are real life.
Only in a betas mind could ignorant posts, from anonymous posters,actually make someone mad. Calling a dumbass, a dumbass, in no way means I'm mad. It only means they are a dumbass.
Only in a betas mind could ignorant posts, from anonymous posters,actually make someone mad. Calling a dumbass, a dumbass, in no way means I'm mad. It only means they are a dumbass.
This post was edited on 8/6/15 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:18 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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stop taking sports message boards as if they are real life
I hate it when people say football is a matter of life and death.
It's much more than that.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:20 pm to Nuts4LSU
That's a whole lot of text to say that you don't know the merit of your own argument.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Italics , bro.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:22 pm to Nuts4LSU
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The point remains valid. JJ ranks high in career passing stats because of the sheer number of start
He ranks
6th alltime in completion % (which usually goes down when your pass attempts go up)
8th alltime in career qb rating
9th alltime in yards per game
The above stats have nothing to do with padding stats by number of starts.
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arising mostly out of the fact that his only competition for the job was Jarrett Lee, he played in the era of 12 game regular seasons and on teams that always went to bowls.
OK but he also reached those level during the most successful era of sec football, ever. During his tenure 4 different sec teams won the seccg and outside of his freshman year a sec west team won the national title.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:26 pm to chilge1
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Italics , bro.
Yeah I guess I should use italics to emphasize so I'm not accused of losing my mind over proving dumbass posts wrong.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:29 pm to Salviati
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It seems you left two words out of the middle of your name: "of shite"
Uh oh. I'm sure he'll respond to that post by saying you're livid and you are getting trolled.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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most successful era of sec football
That is a mouthful. Wish you hadn't said it ... may begin to consider thinking about changing my mind.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:33 pm to LARRY P
Oh it gets a lot of attention not much addressing tho
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:33 pm to BCS Statmaster
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Saban
Why didn't you just say you are another Bama troll?
When all else fails you, cry out "Saban"?
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:34 pm to LARRY P
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So.....why has that problem not been addressed and given a whole lot of attention?
You mean besides adding an NFL OC to the coaching staff and two quarterbacks ranked in the top 75 of all players in their respective recruiting class?
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:36 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Bama troll
LSU thru and thru ... graduated there.
Taught there during the McClendon years.
Was in attendance when Jones threw 'the pass' against Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 8/6/15 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:39 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:That's just over 2 years worth of starts. If a qb isn't good there is no way he reaches top 6 in compl %,8th in career qb rating, nor does he have the 9th best passing season in lsu history(2009).his 200 9th season he finished top 5,in the sec, in qb rating and was 2nd ,in the sec, in completion %.
Any QB who started 34 games would almost have to finish in the top 6 or so of LSU career stats. How many QBs have started that many games at LSU? It's gotta be less than ten.
Just because a qb starts 34 games doesn't mean he will finish 5th in total tds for his career. Nor does it mean he will hold the single season qb rushing record.
Like I've argued from the start. JJ may not even be considered a good qb his entire career, but in no way did he suck his entire career and it's a fact he was one of the most productive qbs in lsu history.
I really would've liked to have seen what JLEE could've been had Crowton not ruined him. Everyone in America could see that he wasn't handling the blitz well and Crowton continued to call 5 and 7 step drop and very rarely called rb draws or screens. JLee had one of the quickest releases I've seen in cfb.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:42 pm to chilge1
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You mean besides adding an NFL OC to the coaching staff and two quarterbacks ranked in the top 75 of all players in their respective recruiting class?
Yea cuz that def worked out well last year for us.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:49 pm to RedTigerRulz
Red, you're a crotchety and sarcastic arse, but you know enough that two years isn't a basis for an evaluation of a coordinator... particularly when there's so much discrepancy between the two seasons.
We simply have no way of knowing whether Cameron is the guy who paved the way for Mettenberger to throw for 3000, Hill to rush for 1400, and OBJ and Landry to grab 1100 yards apiece... of the guy who refused to call a pass over the middle of the field for fear of his QB throwing a pick.
This is the year we see if last year was a slump or a trend.. given his experience, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
We simply have no way of knowing whether Cameron is the guy who paved the way for Mettenberger to throw for 3000, Hill to rush for 1400, and OBJ and Landry to grab 1100 yards apiece... of the guy who refused to call a pass over the middle of the field for fear of his QB throwing a pick.
This is the year we see if last year was a slump or a trend.. given his experience, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:50 pm to LARRY P
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other than Mett.....who was a transfer..not a recruit.
You guys crack me up! Do you honestly think LSU didn't have to recruit Mett???
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QB play, other than Mett, has been poor at best ever since LSU won the National Championship
2009 and 2011 QB play was not poor. 2009 had a QB rating of like 140 and 2011 was like 145. While that's not great, it certainly isn't "poor".
Posted on 8/6/15 at 3:55 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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You guys crack me up! Do you honestly think LSU didn't have to recruit Mett???
Na Lonnie. Mett was forced to go to lsu. Those offers from Bama, A&M,Tex,Louisville,and Arky weren't real. I'll say it like some dumbass said it earlier in this thread,"Just because a team offers you, doesn't mean they want you."
The amount of goal post moving and mental gymnastics to diminish anything Miles has accomplished is sad. Only at lsu is the program's most successful coach ever, treated so badly.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 4:04 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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most successful coach
Harold Hunter ... perfect record.
Posted on 8/6/15 at 4:15 pm to chilge1
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This is the year we see if last year was a slump or a trend.. given his experience, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I totally agree...I'm just being crotchety/sarcastic.
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