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re: Les will only get better
Posted on 1/14/12 at 8:50 pm to BeeFense5
Posted on 1/14/12 at 8:50 pm to BeeFense5
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Wait, what? The coaches are 3-3 vs each other.
Keep saying this, but people are really counting 2007 where Saban is rebuilding Bama from a losing team the year before?
That's as stupid as comparing their records against Spurrier when Saban coached against Spurrier in his good years not when Spurrier was building a program up at USCe.
How about Les is 4-3 versus freaking Houston Nutt despite having the much more talented team in every game.
This post was edited on 1/14/12 at 8:51 pm
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Miles will be viewed as a little more lucky than good
You don't lead the SEC in wins for the last 7 years or all BCS programs in wins since 2005 cause you are "lucky".
You have that consistent, elite success because of hard work, dedication, ability, and yes...good fortune.
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more of a recruiter than a great game day coach
Yeah, that most be why LSU beat #1 Bama at Bama, #4 Oregon in Dallas, #17 WVirg in Virg, and # 19 Ga. in Ga , and # 5 Arkansas in BR.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:18 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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You don't lead the SEC in wins for the last 7 years or all BCS programs in wins since 2005 cause you are "lucky".
You have your head up your arse if you don't believe this is the perception. It is. Nationally.
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You have that consistent, elite success because of hard work, dedication, ability, and yes...good fortune.
Miles is a very good coach, but isn't perfect. About time you accept it. His loyalty cost his team this year.
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more of a recruiter than a great game day coach
Yeah, that most be why LSU beat #1 Bama at Bama, #4 Oregon in Dallas, #17 WVirg in Virg, and # 19 Ga. in Ga , and # 5 Arkansas in BR.
The Bama/LSU game was pretty even (first one). Every other game, LSU had overwhelming talent. Alabama just outcoached, outplayed LSU in the last one. Will be the same next year. LSU should be undefeated based on talent alone.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:20 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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You don't lead the SEC in wins for the last 7 years or all BCS programs in wins since 2005 cause you are "lucky".
You have that consistent, elite success because of hard work, dedication, ability, and yes...good fortune.
Yeah has nothing to do with inheriting a top 5 program that is set up to recruit itself, right?
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Yeah, that most be why LSU beat #1 Bama at Bama, #4 Oregon in Dallas, #17 WVirg in Virg, and # 19 Ga. in Ga , and # 5 Arkansas in BR.
Or that the SEC was ridiculously overrated this season, WVA was breaking in a new head coach and offense and struggled against freaking maryland (a 2-10 team), and the fact that Arkansas in an other year would be top 20 at best and UGA was overrated by playing a joke of a schedule.
Let's ignore all of that.
Les is a good coach, but he's not top 10 like some want to believe. As an actual coach I wouldn't put him in the top 20 of head coaches in the country.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:25 pm to Geaux2002
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Les is a good coach, but he's not top 10 like some want to believe.
He is top ten based on recruiting, alone. Anytime you can assemble that much talent you are going to be good. Miles has also hired Some decent assistants, though we had to go through some crappy hires to get there. Some of his weaknesses were exposed toward the end of the year though.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You have your head up your arse if you don't believe this is the perception. It is. Nationally.
Yeah, that must be why Miles was the AP Coach of the year and named SEC coach of the year by his peers.
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Miles is a very good coach, but isn't perfect. About time you accept it
I don't know of any perfect coaches, players, or people.
I would list Miles as an elite type coach based off his elite success.
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Every other game, LSU had overwhelming talent
"overwhelming talent"...BS.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:48 pm to Geaux2002
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Yeah has nothing to do with inheriting a top 5 program that is set up to recruit itself, right
Sure saban gets a lot of credit for "locking up the Louisiana borders", but you're an idiot if you think miles doesn't put in his work.Miles brought in a tom of talent from out of state.
History shows that plenty of great coaches leave and the next coach loses his arse off. Inheritance means shite after 4 years in college football.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:48 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Yeah, that must be why Miles was the AP Coach of the year and named SEC coach of the year by his peers.
Being 13-0 will get that for you. The perception of Miles took one helluva hit in the NCG. You can pretend it didn't all you want, but I would avoid any national media and message boards if I were you. Just the way it is. This isn't my opinion, it's pure fact. Take it up with the millions who share that view.
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Every other game, LSU had overwhelming talent
"overwhelming talent"...BS.
Not one team outside of Bama came close to matching the talent assembled on the LSU team. I give Miles a lot of credit for that.
This post was edited on 1/14/12 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:50 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:while at the same time choking away some of the biggest games in LSU football history. I've said it before. Les is an enigma, on the one hand good, and then the other bad. You have to accept or ignore h is glaring deficiencies in order to love his coaching style. Im not willing to do that.
Some need to wake up and smell the coffee, but I know that's impossible for the agenda driven types
who refuses to note/see/appreciate the elite status LSU football has maintained for much of the past 7 yrs.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:51 pm to Geaux2002
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Or that the SEC was ridiculously overrated this season,
We would have made a BCS game with Boise state's schedule with those OCC games guy....
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:54 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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You have to accept or ignore h is glaring deficiencies in order to love his coaching style. Im not willing to do that.
Lonnie isn't going to ignore them, he is going to fight you tooth and nail to say they don't exist. he actually claims Les doesn't have some perception issue nationwide. Hell, before the NC every single talking head I heard said the coaching edge went to Saban. I highly doubt it improved. Just the way it is.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:56 pm to bastropbham
At least the clock wasn't an issue this time
Posted on 1/14/12 at 9:57 pm to Geaux2002
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Or that the SEC was ridiculously overrated this season
Yeah, must be why SEC teams finished #1, #2, and #5
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Yeah has nothing to do with inheriting a top 5 program
Doesn't matter what you inherited 8 years ago if you can't maintain it.
Lucky for us, it wasn't only maintained but improved.
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As an actual coach I wouldn't put him in the top 20 of head coaches in the country.
The AP and SEC coaches disagree with you.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 10:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He is top ten based on recruiting, alone. Anytime you can assemble that much talent you are going to be good. Miles has also hired Some decent assistants, though we had to go through some crappy hires to get there. Some of his weaknesses were exposed toward the end of the year though.
I'd be more impressed if he recruited this well (or similarly for its level) at OSU, which he didn't. He's a very good recruiter, but his job is made really easy at LSU and the fact that LSU was both a top team when he came in a loaded. He won an NC off that talent, which also helps.
Miles is simply a flawed coach and will always be one. He interferes in the offense too much and it's amazing when people are shocked that offense has cost LSU a ton of games with Miles as head coach.
He's not as bad as some of his critics make him out to be, but he's not near half as great a coach as his nuthuggers like Choctaw claim either.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 10:10 pm to Geaux2002
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Miles is simply a flawed coach and will always be one. He interferes in the offense too much and it's amazing when people are shocked that offense has cost LSU a ton of games with Miles as head coach.
Maybe he will fix the problem this year, and turn this over to someone else.
Most of us figured his devotion to JJ and the limited offense he can run with him, may cost LSU a game. It wasn't hard to figure out. Hopefully he saw this in graphic detail like the rest of the world did.
This post was edited on 1/14/12 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 1/14/12 at 10:14 pm to BeeFense5
BeeFense5- I'm not saying that Miles has not been good for the program. Hell Saban gave Miles credit for maintaing the program.Without the fan support there is no coach Miles. I happen to believe that he owes an explanation to his stakeholders (fans) as to why he chose not to give his team the best opportunity to be champions of college football. He chose to stick with a QB that IMO could not start for any other team in the SEC. An individual that has never accepted responsibility for any mistake or loss. He has always had that dumb arse look on his face that so many have as their aviator. He never once took on the role as a leader on the sideline during the NCG. Miles was with this individual for four seasons and could not see that demeanor. A good coach is supposed to recognize that his team is in trouble and throw them a lifeline. Miles did a piss poor job of preparing this team and he cost LSU the NC with his pathetic game day coaching. Personally It would not bother me if Jones would open up the bank and come get Miles. Miles is the same coach today that took the job in 2005. He is going to blow a game, its just the way it is!
Posted on 1/14/12 at 10:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Maybe he will fix the problem this year, and turn this over to someone else.
Most of us figured his devotion to JJ and the limited offense he can run with him may cost LSU a game. It wasn't hard to figure out. Hopefully he saw this in graphic detail like the rest of the world did.
I'd agree, except Les' stubbornness has now cost LSU NC shots or titles in 2006 and 2011. He didn't learn his lesson.
He's feasted off of playing less talented teams in bowls and lived off the success of his OCs in those games as well.
First bowl game without Fisher and Crowton, and a Les run offense scores 0 points.
I hope he turns the corner, but his recruiting is often overrated in my opinion.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 10:18 pm to LSUFAN2
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He is going to blow a game, its just the way it is!
Every coach will do this from time to time. I just didn't expect Miles to get totally shown up in the NCG, figured he would come up with an effort better than that.
Posted on 1/14/12 at 10:19 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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while at the same time choking away some of the biggest games in LSU football history
Since Miles is like 30 something and 1 OOC, 2-1 in BCS bowl games, 5-2 in all bowl games, and 2-1 in SEC title games, what are these "biggest games in LSU history" he choked away?
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in order to love his coaching style
Personally, I could care less bout style when a coach gets me elite season after elite season..
I'll take the wins, the west titles, the SEC titles, the 5 Top 8 finishes, 2 BCSCGs, and a national title and just say, "thank you very much, Coach!"
Posted on 1/14/12 at 10:24 pm to LSUFAN2
LSUFAN2 , you said it so perfectly, I think some on this Rant think that just because we question Miles or question his allegiance to Jefferson that we are anti LSU. That is so far from the truth. Man im hurt and do I hope Miles will learn from this incident . 
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