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re: JJ Can't Read a Defense: That's Been Our Problem

Posted on 12/21/10 at 7:23 am to
Posted by Dr Emmett Brown
Hill Valley, CA
Member since Dec 2010
447 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 7:23 am to
JJ can't understand the offense because Crowton has no consistant offense to run with two unconsistant QB's to work with because he has no idea how to teach them to get better. its a vicious circle.

all three are the problem. hopefully ZM is the fix.

Posted by km
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
5653 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:08 am to
JJ's drop back is slow, his reads are slow and his deliveries are slow. His play action is a joke. However, how much of this could have been improved with a "quarterbacks" coach who actually coaches?
Posted by Cherry Cheesecake
Prairieville, LA
Member since Oct 2010
1034 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:42 am to
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He is now & always a Div. 2 qb!


since when does beating Alabama and finishing 10-2 in the SEC West this season (as the starter) not qualify someone for a Div-1 QB?
Posted by jrich11
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2010
993 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 9:43 am to
jjs problem is accuracy and just an absolute severe case of thin skin.

he cannot be accurate off his back foot, which i hate to say it, sometimes youre gonna have to do in the sec.

and at some point, you've got to just turn it loose and trust your 5 star athletes outside to go up and make a play. and i just dont see that.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10454 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 11:02 am to
quote:

jjs problem is accuracy
He was top 35% of FBS last year and 84th this year. The ydg is off by 30% from last year and his ypa is down 0.5yd.
Seems that since '08, the longer he is "coached up", the worse he does.
Posted by tigerden851
Gonzales
Member since Jun 2009
38 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 11:48 am to
JJ is preparing for Rhodes Scholarship. No time to read defenses.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49056 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

Well at least now you've confirmed you aren't an insider.


People who have zero understanding of football use the term "can't read a defense" to excuse poor play.

Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49056 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:01 pm to
How does Jefferson's inability to a read a defense cause our Wide Receivers to never be open?

Posted by Paulu
Mandeville
Member since Dec 2006
4440 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:11 pm to
Who would typically be responsible for that one?

The crappy teacher or the crappy talent evaluator?
Posted by windriver
West Monroe/San Diego
Member since Mar 2006
8656 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:11 pm to
WR's are open all the time. JJ panics after the one he locked on is covered and takes off running like a cane cutter fleeing a Beagle with no particular direction at all.

Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49056 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:12 pm to
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WR's are open all the time.


Are you talking about LSU?

This season?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296157 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:16 pm to
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People who have zero understanding of football use the term "can't read a defense" to excuse poor play.


Let me put it another way. He has shown no signs of being able to read a defense. Maybe he can and is hiding it very effectively.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49056 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

Let me put it another way. He has shown no signs of being able to read a defense. Maybe he can and is hiding it very effectively.


Ever consider that the offense run doesn't lend itself to finding open receivers in a reasonable amount of time?

For instance, do you think that Darron Thomas (QB from Oregon) is exceptional at "reading defenses"?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296157 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:34 pm to
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Ever consider that the offense run doesn't lend itself to finding open receivers in a reasonable amount of time?



Watch the film. JJ has plenty of opportunities to throw passes to open receivers. So does Lee. They just don't recognize what is happening in front of them.

quote:


For instance, do you think that Darron Thomas (QB from Oregon) is exceptional at "reading defenses"?


Thomas does a fairly good job of recognizing coverage. Nothing exceptional. He is able to pick out mismatches and utilize them.

Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
35562 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

JJ Can't Read a Defense


After this year, I'd be surprised if JJ could read a children's book. That dude is dumber than a pickle!
Posted by GR CHAMP
Member since Dec 2006
726 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

For instance, do you think that Darron Thomas (QB from Oregon) is exceptional at "reading defenses"?




Good point Moss !
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49056 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

Thomas does a fairly good job of recognizing coverage. Nothing exceptional. He is able to pick out mismatches and utilize them.


Well, first, yes he picks out mismatches. It's impossible for LSU QBs to pick out mismatches because our OC never uses them.

Oregon runs a two-read, high paced offense. Basically, all their passing plays use one side line route and one route across the defense. Thomas simply watches the safety. If the safety moves to the sideline route, he looks to throw the route moving across the LBs. If the safety moves up, he looks to throw to the sideline. If neither is open, he takes off.

It works so well because Oregon's pace doesn't allow the defense to adjust to these routes between plays. Therefore, if a defense is in a Cover Two over, the route across the middle is going to almost always be open because Pac-10 LBers can't cover Oregon's receivers. Once that safeties decides to cheat up to jump that over the middle route, Thomas can kill them on the sideline.

It's not rocket science, but it's a perfect example of how a coach can put his players in a position to succeed.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296157 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:44 pm to
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Well, first, yes he picks out mismatches. It's impossible for LSU QBs to pick out mismatches because our OC never uses them.


So in your opinion, reading defenses and seeing through coverage is not necessary for a QB at LSU.
Posted by GR CHAMP
Member since Dec 2006
726 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

After this year, I'd be surprised if JJ could read a children's book. That dude is dumber than a pickle!



And the smart white guy can't even beat him out of the job !!!!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296157 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 1:49 pm to
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And the smart white guy can't even beat him out of the job !!!!


Why did you introduce race into the discussion? Are you that dense?
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