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re: 112th ranked offense
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:17 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:17 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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Please stop with this shite.
This shite, as you call it, is merely a fact. If you don't like it call Ryan Perilloux and thank him for being kicked off the team in 2008.
The SEC West champion had a 21 year old starting quarterback, the SEC East champion had a 22 year old quarterback. I think that is an indicator of success.
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:17 pm to peopleschamp
Yeah... but we kicked Akron's arse!!!!!! 
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:18 pm to peopleschamp
The offensive line sucked. If we had a decent line we might have hit in the low 90s high 80s. I think we didn't run the option enough. I think against UNC, we should run the option to the short side of the field the entire game. Then, watch as tigerdroppings explodes
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:20 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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How so?
Seems extremely comparable.
Especially in Brady's case who took the team from nothing and brought them to the Final 4. Miles' team didn't come from nothing.
Please explain how it's not comparable.
Brady had 8 years of mediocre teams before he made it to the final 4 (which is not a championship by the way)
Miles has had 3 excellent years (with 2 SEC West titles, an SEC championship, and a NC), one mediocre year, and one above average year.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:21 pm to RushTigerLimbaugh
quote:that hadn't started a game b/4 this season.
SEC West champion had a 21 year old starting quarterback
Again, plenty of teams succeed with young QBs.
The fact that the team is no better now than they were against Wash is of no consequence either, right?
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:24 pm to peopleschamp
With the talent LSU has on the sidelines there is absolutely no acceptable explination for this offensive ranking.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:26 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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The fact that the team is no better now than they were against Wash is of no consequence either, right?
But we are.
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that hadn't started a game b/4 this season.
He is in his 4th year. JJ in his 2nd. I bet JJ does just as well in his 4th year.
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Again, plenty of teams succeed with young QBs.
And most don't. Most don't go 5-3 in the SEC.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:26 pm to ZTiger87
quote:OK, so they lose to Bama & UF. So would 117 or so other teams.
Do they go 6-2 or better? No, I don't think they do.
They're still a top 5 national team (in any conference).
They'd still be the 3rd best team in the SEC. And you think that they would have the 113th ranked offense in the country just because they played in the SEC??? Please
That sophomore QB lead the #1 ranked offense in the country.
The SEC is not that strong.
Enough with this young QB BS.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:26 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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Again, plenty of teams succeed with young QBs.
Compile a list of SEC champions that had 19 year old quarterbacks. That way we can see that "plenty of [SEC] teams succeeded with young quarterbacks."
Having an inexperienced quarterback is a legitimate reason for a floundering offense, especially in the SEC.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:31 pm to Choctaw
quote:If there was a nice word for hypocrite, I'd call you that.
Brady had 8 years of mediocre teams before he made it to the final 4 (which is not a championship by the way)
Miles has had 3 excellent years (with 2 SEC West titles, an SEC championship, and a NC), one mediocre year, and one above average year.
You'd be arguing with yourself if this were about Brady or Smoke.
Hell, Smoke had the best winning percentage in the SEC during his tenure and was SEC coach of the year multiple times.
Brady took his team to the Final Four (which can be argued is just as difficult as winning a one game BCS championship that LSU had was very fortunate to even get that opportunity (an opportunity that would not have happened any other year).
I suppose their successes were only due to the players.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:34 pm to RushTigerLimbaugh
quote:This thread is not about winning the SEC. You said the reason for the 112th ranked offense is having a young QB, which is complete and utter bull shite.
Compile a list of SEC champions that had 19 year old quarterbacks. That way we can see that "plenty of [SEC] teams succeeded with young quarterbacks."
quote:Maybe not winning the SEC, but 112th nationally????
Having an inexperienced quarterback is a legitimate reason for a floundering offense, especially in the SEC.
Maybe you'd like to rephrase your earlier post.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:35 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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OK, so they lose to Bama & UF. So would 117 or so other teams.
They're still a top 5 national team (in any conference).
They'd still be the 3rd best team in the SEC. And you think that they would have the 113th ranked offense in the country just because they played in the SEC??? Please
So basically you are saying they would be exactly where we are. 3rd in the SEC. Only they would have done it with a better offense. I have a hard time believing that they beat Georiga, Arkansas, Auburn, Miss St and Ole Miss.
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Enough with this young QB BS.
It's not BS when it's true. There are hardly any QBs that come in and lead their teams to greatness in their 1st or 2nd year on campus. Yes, there are some examples, but they are few and far between.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:41 pm to peopleschamp
I think a whole lot less of Gary Crowton than Les Miles. Crowton needs to go. And if Coach Miles can't see the talent sitting on the bench that should be in the game and he is listening to or agreeing with Crowton then i think this will get his job at the end of next year. Expectations are high, ticket prices are high, parking passes are high, talent level is high, and a few more beers i am going to be high. 
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:41 pm to ZTiger87
quote:Isn't that what this thread is about? Give me your best apologist excuse for why LSU has the 112th ranked offense?
Only they would have done it with a better offense.
quote:All unranked teams. Really?
I have a hard time believing that they beat Georiga, Arkansas, Auburn, Miss St and Ole Miss.
You do know that they just finished undefeated and beat a TCU team that has more impressive regular season undefeated schedule than Texas. The SEC is not that good this year.
quote:Once again...we're not talking about greatness. We're talking about not being ranked 112th.
It's not BS when it's true. There are hardly any QBs that come in and lead their teams to greatness in their 1st or 2nd year on campus. Yes, there are some examples, but they are few and far between.
Good Grief. Read the thread title and your previous assertions.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:43 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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There are plenty of teams that succeed with QBs under 20.
That was your answer to my point that our offense was bad because we had a young quarterback. Your counterpoint was actually not an answer to why our offense was so bad, maybe you should "rephrase" your argument as well.
Then I simply made the counter point that the SEC champions had older, more experienced quarterbacks. Yet, you still wanted to argue that my assessment of the situation was "bull shite". So, I invited you to compile a list of 19 year old quarterbacks who won an SEC championship.
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Maybe you'd like to rephrase your earlier post.
Nope!
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:49 pm to RushTigerLimbaugh
quote:Nice crawfish.
That was your answer to my point that our offense was bad because we had a young quarterback. Your counterpoint was actually not an answer to why our offense was so bad, maybe you should "rephrase" your argument as well.
Then I simply made the counter point that the SEC champions had older, more experienced quarterbacks. Yet, you still wanted to argue that my assessment of the situation was "bull shite". So, I invited you to compile a list of 19 year old quarterbacks who won an SEC championship.
So you stll think that the reason LSU offense is ranked 112th is because of a young QB?
So only young QBs that have won an SEC 'ship can generate better than 112th ranked offense. If not, then why even bring that up (no cosequence to your statement).
That's basically what you're saying since no one in this thread has said that JJ should be winning the SEC 'ship....just that he could be the QB on an offense better than #112.
You are making no sense.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:49 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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Isn't that what this thread is about? Give me your best apologist excuse for why LSU has the 112th ranked offense?
There is no excuse for being as bad as we were. But you are the one that took this thread in a different direction with:
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So you think Boise wouldn't compete in the SEC this year?
and
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There are plenty of teams that succeed with QBs under 20.
You even went on to debate how well you think Boise St would do in the SEC.
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All unranked teams. Really?
You do know that they just finished undefeated and beat a TCU team that has more impressive regular season undefeated schedule than Texas. The SEC is not that good this year.
There is no doubt that they can beat good teams. There is major doubts if they can do it week in and week out.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:49 pm to peopleschamp
get off you soap box, noone is defending our offense. i can't recall even ONE person defending our offense. 112th is 112th and speaks for itself. most want crowton fired over it, even the miles supporters. it has been iterated on this board about a million times and yet you, and others, continue to accuse people that like miles or that think he deserves a chance to turn the team around continue to harp like friggin' babies and accuse others of saying things they did not. what is your agenda? there's just so much whining you can do about the same old topic and making stuff up to continue the bitching is also getting old.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:50 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
I think most folks thought the offense would struggle some this year, but didn't think it would be anywhere near as putrid as it was. To certain extent they dialed back the O to make it more "efficient", but there's no excuse that it didn't evolve and get better during the year. Crowton simply isn't a guy that can fit a system around the talent he has at his disposal. Even if the QB is limited, or there is weakness on the o-line, you scheme around it. I could've lived with a few more interceptions if that meant getting a little more aggressive.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 5:55 pm to ZTiger87
quote:go back & read the chain.
ZTiger87
I gave Boise's soph QB as an example that young QB can succeed.
You said that they can't b/c they play weak schedule, blah blah.
Which is BS b/c Boise & that young QB would compete very well in the SEC...which has nothing to do with the thread topic.
The point is a that soph QB....one that is the same age as JJ....just led the #1 ranked offense in the country.
To say that the reason LSU is 112th b/c of a soph QB is just fricking ridiculous.
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