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re: TD Fantasy:The Auction League Year 10. Draft Date: 9/5 8:00 Ct Openings Available…….
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:43 pm to Evolve
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:43 pm to Evolve
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Trying to get people to agree with you by insulting them and their point of view from the start of your proposal is not the way to go about it. You had already lost your argument before it barely got off the ground on that fact alone.
Anyone can go back and read this thread starting on page 3. I laid out my argument pretty clearly and backed it up with data from past seasons and logical reasoning. Not a single person was able to do the same thing on the other side of the argument. I heard yall saying $300 was too much but nobody was actually able to logically explain why.
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I scored the most points over the course of 16 weeks. 13 of 16 weeks I was in the Top 6. What does "placing 1,2,3" even mean? As last years winner even admits, it means you got hot for 3 weeks. VooDoo ended up with a 10-6 (t6b6) overall record. I ended up with a 13-3 overall record. VooDoo ended up 3rd in overall points. My team was 1st in overall points.
I'm still waiting for someone with actual reading comprehension skills and common sense to provide a legit reason why my team from last year should have not be awarded $300 out of a $1200 fricking pot.
Is this the "insult" you were offended by? If so, that's pretty soft.
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:29 pm to ATLsuTiger
Here are just a few of your ineffective responsive negotiating tactics.
This was only up to page 8. All of the above was before I even entered the conversation by the way.
Then its as if you were willing to let it go...
Nope...
And then you couldn't give it up after being silent on it for 6 weeks. So on it went.
and on... and on... and on... you continued to insult with memes and nonsensical opinions as to why you felt like you were right. Now here you still are having gained absolutely nothing except the leagues spite for you.
Whats even more amusing to me, as I look back on it, is you actually had some on the hook. They were willing to compromise with you. You literally wouldn't get out of your own way. It's quite comical to read it back again. It's obvious you lack the ability to see past your own ego to see another persons point of view.
Just so you know. There are no facts about who is the best team in fantasy football in this league or any other. There are only opinions. You are entitled to yours, but you shouldn't try insult people to try and get others agree with your point of view. Nor should you deem someone not agreeing with your opinion illogical because of your own lack of comprehension.
You've only shown how weak and pathetic you really are as a person.
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I'm still waiting for someone with actual reading comprehension skills and common sense
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Yeah, well I am complaining
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Y'all that scared
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doesn't mean shite.
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No fricking way, new guy(s).
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Well I say frick that
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You are just afraid of change.
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Sounds like you frickers are scared
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I can sit here and destroy you weak arse fricking arguments
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new guys are fighting this just to fight it. Stay in your lane
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You keep saying this over and over like a brainless buffoon
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You're not a very bright one are you?
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Y'all gonna learn TO-DAY
This was only up to page 8. All of the above was before I even entered the conversation by the way.
Then its as if you were willing to let it go...
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Whatever. Collect the votes. This is a democracy. I'll go with whatever wins. No hard feelings
Nope...
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The payout structure conversation:
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New guys(who didn't even know our scoring system): duh WhAt?! THAT'S WAAAY TOO MUCH MONEY!!! yOu'Re jUsT BuTt HuRt...tHe NFL dOeSn'T dO iT LiKe ThAt! mAybe DrAfT bEtTer fOr ThE pLaYoFfs. HeAd 2 hEaD iS wHaT sPoRtS iS aLl AbOuT!
And then you couldn't give it up after being silent on it for 6 weeks. So on it went.
and on... and on... and on... you continued to insult with memes and nonsensical opinions as to why you felt like you were right. Now here you still are having gained absolutely nothing except the leagues spite for you.
Whats even more amusing to me, as I look back on it, is you actually had some on the hook. They were willing to compromise with you. You literally wouldn't get out of your own way. It's quite comical to read it back again. It's obvious you lack the ability to see past your own ego to see another persons point of view.
Just so you know. There are no facts about who is the best team in fantasy football in this league or any other. There are only opinions. You are entitled to yours, but you shouldn't try insult people to try and get others agree with your point of view. Nor should you deem someone not agreeing with your opinion illogical because of your own lack of comprehension.
You've only shown how weak and pathetic you really are as a person.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:37 pm to ATLsuTiger
I suppose I was similar to @Evolve when I started the discussion opposing highest points. I still believe (strongly) that points alone tells little about a team’s fantasy season (unless playing best ball).
However, I am a huge proponent of H2H TOP 6/BOTTOM 6, and will push for this in most $ leagues moving forward.
Had I better understood (and appreciated) TOP 6/BOTTOM 6, I would have likely thrown more support to a regular season (or 16 week) best overall record payout (even the 25% proposed). I still disagree with any “points race” concept in principal, since it doesn’t measure weekly consistency.
However, as I (and others) made the argument in the early pages, I would support most options of payouts over any third place payout.
Good discussion for next year, as I had a really good time this year and look forward to the rest of this season and future years to come! I appreciate the invite and acceptance from everyone in the league!
However, I am a huge proponent of H2H TOP 6/BOTTOM 6, and will push for this in most $ leagues moving forward.
Had I better understood (and appreciated) TOP 6/BOTTOM 6, I would have likely thrown more support to a regular season (or 16 week) best overall record payout (even the 25% proposed). I still disagree with any “points race” concept in principal, since it doesn’t measure weekly consistency.
However, as I (and others) made the argument in the early pages, I would support most options of payouts over any third place payout.
Good discussion for next year, as I had a really good time this year and look forward to the rest of this season and future years to come! I appreciate the invite and acceptance from everyone in the league!
Posted on 12/5/19 at 12:23 pm to SoItGoes
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Had I better understood (and appreciated) TOP 6/BOTTOM 6, I would have likely thrown more support to a regular season (or 16 week) best overall record payout (even the 25% proposed).
I will totally concede the points race thing if we agree to put 25% of the prize pool aside next year and award that to the team with the best 16 week T6B6 record. That at least makes a bit more sense than how we currently award prize money in this pure T6B6 league.
In 2017 the 3rd best T6B6 16 week record team won 1st place money
In 2018 the 4th best T6B6 16 week record team won 1st place money
I'm all for keeping the playoff element in place for some added random fun, but do I think these teams deserve the majority of our money? No. Keep in mind, if this were a pure h2h league then I would likely support keeping the traditional playoff payouts, but that's not what our league is. A playoff is pretty meaningless in T6B6.
All I ask is that we continue to evaluate the results at the end of each season and try to make adjustments that will improve the league given our format/settings.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 12:29 pm to Evolve
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you continued to insult with memes
Perhaps you can suggest a no trash talking policy next year?
Posted on 12/5/19 at 1:13 pm to ATLsuTiger
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Perhaps you can suggest a no trash talking policy next year?
I'm fine with trash talking. We shouldn't be surprised that you associate trash talking with insulting people that don't agree with your opinion of a payout structure. Nor should we be surprised that when called out on all your bullshite the only thing you can do is try and insult further. You still don't get it though. No one gives a frick what you think.
Here you go. Since you seem to only be able to comprehend any type of context through pictures.
ATL's response to anyone providing differing opinions and calling him out on his bullshite:
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:34 pm to ATLsuTiger
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totally concede the points race thing if we agree to put 25% of the prize pool aside next year and award that to the team with the best 16 week T6B6 record.
I am glad to hear you come around on the fruitless points race; many unintelligent people cannot comprehend and appreciate rewarding the consistency aspect of lineup setting leagues over a few huge booming weeks leading to a “highest points” complainer.
My vote would be 75% needs to be solely applied to playoff championship game. Happy to support the balance of the payouts fully go to best 16 week T6B6 record (this would mean no third place $ return).
If 3rd place is still to be paid out, best 16 week T6B6 record. would only get the other balance of the 25%. I will point out this is within $50 of the compromise @cajunsaints and I supported before the season as ”loser newbies”.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:42 pm to SoItGoes
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My vote would be 75% needs to be solely applied to playoff championship game. Happy to support the balance of the payouts fully go to best 16 week T6B6 record (this would mean no third place $ return).
Look at us making progress for next year!
But can you explain what makes the "Championship Game" so important in a Top6/Bottom 6 league where, even you admit, it is all about weekly consistency?
Why have 75% of a $1200 prize pool going towards a 1 week h2h matchup in a pure T6B6 league? I'm honestly just trying to understand your side here.
Again, throwing total points out the window, these were the final Top 6/Bottom 6 records after 16 weeks last year:
VooDoo 10-6 (4th) won $850
Bulldog 11-5 (3rd) won $250
M(LSU)GA 12-4 (2nd) won $100
ATL 13-3 (1st) won $0
What makes VooDoo's team so deserving of all that money?
What makes my team so undeserving of any money?
In a pure Top6/Bottom 6 league I would personally much rather see my money going to the best teams.
*Best having now been defined as the most consistent over 16 weeks of play.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 9:20 pm to ATLsuTiger
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what makes the "Championship Game" so important
BC EVERYONE deserves the chance to rectify their team from bad starts or runs, whether it be from an unlucky draft or poor draft preparation.
The playoffs allow teams who drafted OBJ, Melvin Gordon, Tyreek Hill, Kerryon Johnson, E Elliot, Antonio Brown, LeVeon Bell, Gurley, Mixon OJ Howard, etc. the opportunity to work the trade market and/or waiver wire to make their team better and get into the playoffs and the chance at a piece of the $.
I mean fantasy football is 90+% luck anyways; some people maximize the balance of “skill” with draft preparation and research, others put effort in during the season to make their team better. It’s what allows lots of different personality types and varieties of people to enjoy fantasy football.
I am happy to award the team who consistently scored highest points every week, because typically those teams prepared well for the draft, worked the waiver wire/trade market well, AND were likely EXTREMELY lucky in the injury and offense prediction front (see OBJ with strong arm Baker as QB vs floppy arm Eli).
Posted on 12/5/19 at 10:00 pm to ATLsuTiger
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VooDoo 10-6 (4th) won $850
Bulldog 11-5 (3rd) won $250
M(LSU)GA 12-4 (2nd) won $100
ATL 13-3 (1st) won $0
3td again this year if not for Adams getting hurt and mcvay pulling his gurley needs to be limited/monitored stunt I’d have been at least 2nd.
Here comes the bulldog pain train. LOL
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:49 am to SoItGoes
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BC EVERYONE deserves the chance to rectify their team from bad starts
Then why not let all teams participate in the playoff to give everyone equal chance?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:51 am to bulldog95
These were the 16 week t6b6 records, playoff weeks were included. Technically your team could still end up with the best overall record this year. "Technically."
Edit: that said, if you did end up with the best record then I personally think you deserve more money than any other team. Winning the playoff in the Top6/Bottom 6 format league doesn't mean more than having the best overall record after 16 weeks in my mind.
Edit: that said, if you did end up with the best record then I personally think you deserve more money than any other team. Winning the playoff in the Top6/Bottom 6 format league doesn't mean more than having the best overall record after 16 weeks in my mind.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 9:55 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 2:42 pm to ATLsuTiger
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why not let all teams participate in the playoff to give everyone equal chance?
Same reason to not let more than 50% of the teams into the playoffs, it makes regular season less important.
Perhaps you already understand and appreciate this though, and are trying to make any argument just to disagree.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 6:34 am to SoItGoes
Posted on 12/7/19 at 6:39 am to bulldog95
Posted on 12/7/19 at 6:44 am to SoItGoes
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I mean fantasy football is 90+% luck anyways
I can see why you think like you do if you truly believe this.
In my mind there is more skill than luck involved and I’m simply trying to remove even more luck.
But whatever, let’s just roll with this payout structure next year and be done with this conversation until 2021.
Playoff
1st $600
2nd $300
Overall T6B6 Record(16 weeks)
1st $300
Posted on 12/7/19 at 6:48 am to bulldog95
We coming for that belt, brah!
Posted on 12/7/19 at 7:39 am to ATLsuTiger
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In my mind there is more skill than luck
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let’s just roll with this payout structure next year and be done with this conversation until 2021.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:48 am to Evolve
People that think more skill is involved are those making league winning trades.
People that think more luck is involved are those calling for trades to be vetoed.
We all know which one you are, Mr Charmin soft.
SoItGoes agreed to the payout. What’s your issue with it? Not enough luck for your liking?
People that think more luck is involved are those calling for trades to be vetoed.
We all know which one you are, Mr Charmin soft.
SoItGoes agreed to the payout. What’s your issue with it? Not enough luck for your liking?
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 8:49 am
Posted on 12/7/19 at 9:44 am to ATLsuTiger
Yall killing me. 
Goodluck to everybody in the playoffs.
Goodluck to everybody in the playoffs.
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