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re: On this day 158 years ago, Vicksburg surrendered to Union forces (July 4, 1863)
Posted on 7/5/21 at 12:46 pm to Tiger in Texas
Posted on 7/5/21 at 12:46 pm to Tiger in Texas
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The war was fought over state rights
States rights to do what exactly?
Posted on 7/5/21 at 1:08 pm to thejuiceisloose
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quote:
The war was fought over state rights
States rights to do what exactly?
Sometimes the right war can be fought for the wrong reasons
Posted on 7/5/21 at 1:58 pm to thejuiceisloose
The Constitution reserves any powers not explicitly mentioned therein as reserved for the states. Lincoln believed in an all powerful Federal authority. Slavery happened to be an issue, but there were others.
Again, we are looking at 18th Century people and issues through 21st Century eyes. For example, what do you think both sides would have thought about gay and transgender rights had they known back then what was going to go on today?
What do you think Lincoln, Davis, Lee Grant and all the rest would have had to say? They'd have thought us mad.
Again, we are looking at 18th Century people and issues through 21st Century eyes. For example, what do you think both sides would have thought about gay and transgender rights had they known back then what was going to go on today?
What do you think Lincoln, Davis, Lee Grant and all the rest would have had to say? They'd have thought us mad.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:58 am to thejuiceisloose
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The war was fought over state rights
Only the most unread, gullible and ill informed person thinks slavery was not the overriding reason. Just read the articles of secession. Additionally, it's not like the south had a chance, we got our as___ whipped like Bama humiliates Mississippi State in football.
Mississippi
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth… These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
Texas
The servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations.
South Carolina
Those [Union] States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States.
Georgia
That reason was [the North's] fixed purpose to limit, restrain, and finally abolish slavery in the States where it exists. The South with great unanimity declared her purpose to resist the principle of prohibition to the last extremity.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 10:05 am
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